Thoughts about these forums


I would like to make a few comments. I have been away from Audiogon for quite a while now and thank all of you who have so warmly welcomed me back.
My absence has been two fold. First my health has made it difficult to be involved on a daily basis. Secondly and far more importantly is a philosophical view of how we use this site.
Over the years a number of us “older” members have had the opportunity to share, grow and learn as audiophiles, as people who enjoy music, as people who share a passion for a hobby and in our communication abilities. I applaud all of us for how far we have come over these past six years, and the incredible knowledge base shared here at the best audio web site on the planet. I also must thank Arnie (founder of A’gon) for his passion and concern for making this work. We once had to shut this site down as the threads lost their direction and purpose, but Arnie stood up and asked twelve members to help rebuild this site with a stronger wiser vision. Many hours have been spent by a large number of people trying to make this the great site it is.
So… so my point. Please let us try to remember what we (some of us) are trying to achieve here at Audiogon. What is the purpose of these threads? For me it’s education and sharing of a passion with other audio people. For me personally I enjoy sharing the experiments in tweaking, this is what I have become known best for. My purpose is education and sharing of experience. I love having constructive conversations with knowledgeable informed and educated people who can push my thinking forward and expand my knowledge through other people’s experiences. I enjoy people who put the effort into learning, pushing the norm to a new level, always trying to improve on the systems and musical qualities our systems present. Constructive discussions with people who have credible experiences are great.
What I dislike about this forum and have always struggled with is the comments made flippantly by people who have no known foundation from which they speak. These people as not educating, they are not growing and they are not enjoyable. They simply live here, under rocks waiting for the opportunity to make comments detrimental to the discussion going on, or they are unhappy people who wish to drag down our enjoyment. Many of these trolls left when the site was shut down and the forums required monitoring, but it is not possible to eliminate them completely, nor would it make an interesting site without all views.
I guess what I’m asking is that those who have nothing constructive to offer, to please leave your keyboards alone. There are plenty of threads available where people are simply chatting and not actually intending to learn. But if there are threads that are exploring ideas with knowledgeable and educated experienced people, leave it alone. We do not need your flippant off color remarks. I hope those of us who want to share and learn can have the respect to be allowed that right. The other option, which I have resorted to is private emails. These are great, but input is limited and thus my opportunity to learn is limited, as is yours.
Do you understand? Please allow truly constructive threads to be just that, Constructive. I am back to try one more time to share my ideas and knowledge and to gleam more wisdom from so many old friends, I just thought I’d ask for the respect we deserve and ask the trolls to leave the educational; threads alone. There are so few truly constructive threads at any one time; we can not afford to lose the momentum of the truly good discussions. There are tons of threads where trolls and the ill informed can do there work.
Just my thoughts as I return to Audiogon, and begin to see the old behavior creep into the couple of places I’m talking right now.

Thanks for your respect
J.D.
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Jadem6, I'd love to say "welcome back" but I didn't know you were gone! :-) I'm a relative newbie here.

So much has been said, by you and others, about civility it's almost pasee to mention it again. But, in my view civility in talking with other folks, even those whom we do not particularily respect, let alone agree, is the greese that keep the social machine running smoothly, much as our legal system keeps us from killing each other over boundry disputes.

That said, I think if we attempt to restrain our recognition of an obnoxious post the authors will either reform their conduct and become a productive member or leave the forum for lack of the recognition that is so important to them. Unfortunately too often folks strike back when its really not necessary, and one nasty shot takes over the thread. We should all think more before we pen our responses. I don't exclude myself.

Beyond that I think our dialogue should be as free and diverse as possible, with each poster sharing whatever factual or subjective observations they feel appropriate, keeping the thought in mind that its all towards the ends of our hobby, not to enhance our own egos. At lease that is my personal goal, to be helpful.

The only folks who's post really disturb me are those who have a financial interest, usually undisclosed, in promoting a (or denegrating another's) product for their own financial benefit, and are attempting to take advantage of the guilibility of newbies who are trying to improve their systems. For experienced folks they are fairly easy to identify. But for the less experienced they may be viewed as authority figures. I think the senior (experience wise) members should not hesitate to challenge such posters (civilly of course) when they find them at "work".

Judging from all that has been said, and what I have seen of your recent posts, its no small wonder that folks are welcoming you back. Welcome...
The technical aspect would be good enough by itself,theres alot of deep thinkers here,but I think I enjoy the humor almost as much,a very eclectic cross-section of the world passes thru here.24/7 is another plus.Kind of like S.F. during the gold rush when the ship captains left their commands/ships in the harbor to run off to the hills to search for gold with the other seekers,cheers,Bob
Interesting and heartwarming to see some old names here. Don't know how I missed this thread first time; thanks for the "bump", Speedball.

JD- I first saw you back here when you posted on what I will call "Patrick's thread". Sorry to read that you have not been well; I've missed your contributions and hope that we will continue to hear from you. If my flippancy and skepticism has turned folks off, I apologize. However, its in my nature to be questioning. I also view these forums as a bit of chat room; for those of you who dislike the casual, off-handed and occassionally low-brow aspect of my posts, all I can ask is that you indulge me a little. I never intend to be mean; sometimes I just like to have a little fun. I work long hours on my own, and this site does function as a bit of hang out for me. As the old timers will recall, there was some discussion during "the great shut-down" of setting up an area for casual conversation chat room style. For whatever reason that never materialized; I like to think that the users self-policed that site (with monitors help, I guess) so that the technical forums did not need to be separated from the chat. I like it the way it is in general, but I have noticed some negativism creeping back in.

Anyhow, from my perspective, its great to hear from some folks I've missed over the last couple of years; that alone makes me grateful that you took the time to speak up, JD. My most sincere thanks to you. You obviously struck a chord. But when, IMO, the emperor has no clothes on, I will scream "naked"!! Sometimes, maybe frequently, I will be wrong. Tell me if I'm full of it, I can take it. Most of us, could use a periodic reality check; in our careers, our hobbies, or our personal lives.

Hey...your welcome Swampwalker..you Lugnut and a few of the others that have posted above are the ones I remember from when I started in the latter part of 2001.
I used to sit for hours reading and reading the posts and thinking this is amazing people from all around the globe sharing the same interest. I just now for the first time looked to see when I joined......where does the time go?

Something about what J.D. said makes a lot of sense to me, maybe some others will understand and appreciate his post as much as I do.