Thoughts about these forums


I would like to make a few comments. I have been away from Audiogon for quite a while now and thank all of you who have so warmly welcomed me back.
My absence has been two fold. First my health has made it difficult to be involved on a daily basis. Secondly and far more importantly is a philosophical view of how we use this site.
Over the years a number of us “older” members have had the opportunity to share, grow and learn as audiophiles, as people who enjoy music, as people who share a passion for a hobby and in our communication abilities. I applaud all of us for how far we have come over these past six years, and the incredible knowledge base shared here at the best audio web site on the planet. I also must thank Arnie (founder of A’gon) for his passion and concern for making this work. We once had to shut this site down as the threads lost their direction and purpose, but Arnie stood up and asked twelve members to help rebuild this site with a stronger wiser vision. Many hours have been spent by a large number of people trying to make this the great site it is.
So… so my point. Please let us try to remember what we (some of us) are trying to achieve here at Audiogon. What is the purpose of these threads? For me it’s education and sharing of a passion with other audio people. For me personally I enjoy sharing the experiments in tweaking, this is what I have become known best for. My purpose is education and sharing of experience. I love having constructive conversations with knowledgeable informed and educated people who can push my thinking forward and expand my knowledge through other people’s experiences. I enjoy people who put the effort into learning, pushing the norm to a new level, always trying to improve on the systems and musical qualities our systems present. Constructive discussions with people who have credible experiences are great.
What I dislike about this forum and have always struggled with is the comments made flippantly by people who have no known foundation from which they speak. These people as not educating, they are not growing and they are not enjoyable. They simply live here, under rocks waiting for the opportunity to make comments detrimental to the discussion going on, or they are unhappy people who wish to drag down our enjoyment. Many of these trolls left when the site was shut down and the forums required monitoring, but it is not possible to eliminate them completely, nor would it make an interesting site without all views.
I guess what I’m asking is that those who have nothing constructive to offer, to please leave your keyboards alone. There are plenty of threads available where people are simply chatting and not actually intending to learn. But if there are threads that are exploring ideas with knowledgeable and educated experienced people, leave it alone. We do not need your flippant off color remarks. I hope those of us who want to share and learn can have the respect to be allowed that right. The other option, which I have resorted to is private emails. These are great, but input is limited and thus my opportunity to learn is limited, as is yours.
Do you understand? Please allow truly constructive threads to be just that, Constructive. I am back to try one more time to share my ideas and knowledge and to gleam more wisdom from so many old friends, I just thought I’d ask for the respect we deserve and ask the trolls to leave the educational; threads alone. There are so few truly constructive threads at any one time; we can not afford to lose the momentum of the truly good discussions. There are tons of threads where trolls and the ill informed can do there work.
Just my thoughts as I return to Audiogon, and begin to see the old behavior creep into the couple of places I’m talking right now.

Thanks for your respect
J.D.
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The technical aspect would be good enough by itself,theres alot of deep thinkers here,but I think I enjoy the humor almost as much,a very eclectic cross-section of the world passes thru here.24/7 is another plus.Kind of like S.F. during the gold rush when the ship captains left their commands/ships in the harbor to run off to the hills to search for gold with the other seekers,cheers,Bob
Interesting and heartwarming to see some old names here. Don't know how I missed this thread first time; thanks for the "bump", Speedball.

JD- I first saw you back here when you posted on what I will call "Patrick's thread". Sorry to read that you have not been well; I've missed your contributions and hope that we will continue to hear from you. If my flippancy and skepticism has turned folks off, I apologize. However, its in my nature to be questioning. I also view these forums as a bit of chat room; for those of you who dislike the casual, off-handed and occassionally low-brow aspect of my posts, all I can ask is that you indulge me a little. I never intend to be mean; sometimes I just like to have a little fun. I work long hours on my own, and this site does function as a bit of hang out for me. As the old timers will recall, there was some discussion during "the great shut-down" of setting up an area for casual conversation chat room style. For whatever reason that never materialized; I like to think that the users self-policed that site (with monitors help, I guess) so that the technical forums did not need to be separated from the chat. I like it the way it is in general, but I have noticed some negativism creeping back in.

Anyhow, from my perspective, its great to hear from some folks I've missed over the last couple of years; that alone makes me grateful that you took the time to speak up, JD. My most sincere thanks to you. You obviously struck a chord. But when, IMO, the emperor has no clothes on, I will scream "naked"!! Sometimes, maybe frequently, I will be wrong. Tell me if I'm full of it, I can take it. Most of us, could use a periodic reality check; in our careers, our hobbies, or our personal lives.

Hey...your welcome Swampwalker..you Lugnut and a few of the others that have posted above are the ones I remember from when I started in the latter part of 2001.
I used to sit for hours reading and reading the posts and thinking this is amazing people from all around the globe sharing the same interest. I just now for the first time looked to see when I joined......where does the time go?

Something about what J.D. said makes a lot of sense to me, maybe some others will understand and appreciate his post as much as I do.
Hey Swamp Man,
You are one of the people on Audiogon I respect and have always felt you came here to enjoy, learn and share this great passion we all have. I conceder you a long time friend. Never in all our common posts have I not felt you approached a discussion to help, never to undermine the thread. We certainly have had silly and fun posts too, and those posts serve just as important a role here.
Sense you commented on Patrick’s thread, I think it is a good time to explain my reasons for a thread like this. For the last five years I’ve been told I have less than a year to live without a heart transplant. Living with that kind of issue over your head does something to a man. Going to sleep every night wondering if you’ll awake the next morning is a little bigger than if interconnects actually make a difference. I have learned over these years that life is very short, and it’s important to treat every person with respect and love. My faith has grown; not a religious faith, but a true knowledge that each of us are souls from the same place, and each of our souls need the help and love of each other soul. Now I apologize if I’m offending anyone by bringing these issues to an audio web site, but quite frankly a lot of you are “the love and friendship” that has helped me live this long.
My stereo and in turn my friends at Audiogon have been vital to my peace of mind. Now for me, I need to have this site remain a place of joy and peace. I just do not have the strength to battle any more; I just want to have the opportunity to share all I’ve learned with people who wish to learn. As long as we treat each other with respect and kindness, we can easily disagree. What bothers me is those who just want to pick a fight. I literally have a physical reaction to those people, thus the biggest reason I’ve been absent.
Now I have come back because I sincerely want to help people with the massive amounts I have learned.
Again please, please, please understand I do not mind differing views, I encourage it. I simply want each of us to treat each other kindly. It goes a lot further than anger and mean words. I again apologize if my need for our souls to love each other is out of place or bothers you, but this too is something I can offer and share. I have lived through a “near death” or “seeing the light” experience when I wasn’t expected to leave the hospital eight years ago at the age of 40. I have grown to understand I “came back” for a purpose. The purpose is very simple, love. We must realize how important it is to love and care for each others souls, for in fact we are all one soul when brought together in “the light”
Enough of that, I enjoy Audiogon. I would like to help. I also would like kindness. Just take a moment to walk in Patrick’s or my own shoes and I do think you will understand. Life is short, help take care of your neighbor, the love you will receive is a huge reward.
Thanks for the “bounce” speedball.

J.D.