Recommend a forward speaker


Apologies in advance for cross posting this on AA as well, but figure there might be some different suggestions over here.

When I say forward, I mean the music is presented forward on the stage, NOT necessarily bright (but could lean that way).

I've got a pair of Verity Audio Parsifals, and they are not forward, and although I love their coherent and open sound, sometimes I feel like the stage is just too far back. I've done a lot to bring it forward: silver cables (Stereovox), Amperex 6922 in my amps, Canary ca 160 amps, Emm front end, still, the basic character of the speakers are still laid back. The soundstage at this point is probably about 3 to 4 feet behind the plane of the speakers. I prefer it at or slightly forward the plane of the speaker. That's what I get for buying without listening first. Although, honestly, it took some listening to finally put my hand on this. I was so taken aback by their beautiful, open sound, it was hard to understand their presentation fully.
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For flexibility, Ohm Walsh 5 speakers have a three way close/medium/far "perspective" adjustment on them for the midrange that enables you to adjust the perspective accordingly. I prefer a more recessed sound stage with the speakers optimally 3-4 feet away from the rear wall, however, and typically use the "far" setting myself.

I also have a small pair of Triangle Titus speakers that naturally are more forward in presentation, yet not fatiguing.
I've heard Focal Profile series speakers driven by a Krell integrated at a local Tweeter store. These sounded very forward and I did like the sound very much.
Dennis, Re horn speakers - AGon's resident 'expert' on horns and other speakers which might have a more forward speaker imaging plane, NOT just increased volume in certain frequencies which often is nothing more than selective brightness to inhance the appearance of greater detail, etc, is Duke, a dealer who has much experience with panels, horns and cones. He is honest and direct. He also just happens to be starting up his own speaker business. He posts here under Audiokinesis. If he doesn't pick up and respond fire him off an e-mail. I'm sure he will be happy to be helpful without sales pressure.
Newbee, thanks for the vote of confidence but I'm really not all that. Heck, I'm not even a real duke... but then you're not a real newbee, are you??

My preference is in the opposite direction of what Dennis is looking for - in general I prefer the illusion that the performers are far away, maybe because that's what I'm more used to hearing at a live performance. So I don't know that I can really take Dennis in the direction he wants to go.

Let's say that at one end of the spectrum there's a presentation that sounds like you're sitting at the front table in a jazz club. At the other extreme, you're sitting near the back of a large concert hall (in the cheap section, next to me).

Comparing these two, the reverberant sound will be a relatively weak up front in the jazz club, but it will be very powerful and envelope you in the back of the concert hall. Also, the spectral balance will have much more treble energy up front at the jazz club because less treble will have been absorbed by the room (and even the air in the room) by the time the energy gets to you.

So if I was shooting for an "up front" sound, I'd want speakers with a pretty much flat on-axis frequency response (no dips and no downward-tilt, but also no peaks in the 3-4 kHz region or else you can expect listening fatigue). I'd want either a fairly narrow radiation pattern (like a horn system), or I'd want to sit very close to the speakers, like within 5 feet of them ("near-field") so that the direct sound dominates over the reverberant sound. No dipoles, bipoles, or omnis. If you plan to sit close, make sure the drivers integrate well at close range - that would be a topic for another thread.

Now you know what's gonna happen? You'll spend a fortune on nice new speakers and set up your nearfield listening position and then you put on your favorite disc - and dammit now the singer sounds farther away than ever! What's happening is, that's the way the recording engineers miked and mixed her to sound. The setup I have described will help minimized your system's adding more ambience and sense of depth than what is on the recording, but it will also unmask the image depth on the recording that might have been previously obscured.

So like I said, in the end I'm not sure my suggestions will take you in the direction you want to go.

Duke
dealer/manufacturer

edit - on the other hand, maybe Peterb is right. Maybe Dennis the Menace would feel right at home with Mr. Wilson's speakers!