Verity

I agree with Dave. Per a conversation with Antoine over at Verity last year, he mentioned that my 60 watt Pass Aleph Os would be enough to drive my Encores in my room. I've been driving them with the X350.5 and the bass is not lacking. So this past week, I took out the Aleph Os and hooked it up to the system. It sounded anemic as in no bass, and missing some top end extension. And soundstage just kind of shrunk. Maybe the Aleph needs to be re-broken in again. But for now, I'll stick with the X350.5.

I had heard the Strat at L.A. Stereophile show a few years back driven by all Nagra gears. That demo was the one that put Verity on a short list for my speaker search. Last year, Artemis used them to demo all Artemis gear (tube amps) in a pretty large room. The Artemis may sound good, but those tube monoblocks were just not powerful enough to drive the speakers in a room that size. I could barely hear the music when I was the only person sitting in the sweet spot trying to audition the system.

FrankC

I agree with Gundam, first time i got my Parsifal Encore i feel the bass was shy with my CONRAD JONHSON PREMIER TWELVE of 140 WPC. Few months later i replaced the mono amps by a pair of LAMM M 2.2 and now the Parsifal sing starting from the bottom end up to the very high frequencies.If you look to the spec of the Parsifal they look like easy one to drive but they need clean power of high quality watts. They can full fill a large room (mine is 23 X 23).With the Parsifal if you don't hear bass it is because it is not on the record...not hearthquake shaking one but a very realistic bass too me
Hope this help, i think ading a sub could mess the fabulous mid range

One more vote for amp matching. I've tried +/- a dozen amps with the P/Es and the bass respomse varies enormously. Specifically, an Atma-Sphere s30 was eaten alive by the parsifals- no bass at all. OTOH, a 50W Krell KSA 50s produced deep, tight, powerful bass. I, too, would recommend a different amp, not a sub for your bass issues.

Good Luck,
Marty

Yes, Amps can and will make a difference...I have the Ovations and use a NuForce SE9 V2. I have also reviewed Bryston 4BSST and Conncence Tube Monoblocks. All made a difference in bass.

I now have a pair of Nagra's on the way, and I expect additional bass changes..

With that said, if the Sarastos II are within your reach....GRAB THEM!! IMHO.

John

Hi. Thanks for the input. The Shindos are 80wpc and they enhance the bass versus my old solid state Levinson amp (75wpc). Sorry, I'm not suggesting Verity PEs are weak in the bass, just that it is where I feel these speakers can be better. I'm talking at the margin, just something to scratch my itch to explore... Please take my request in that context.

Sounds like no one believes a sub is a worthy path to explore. Also have to say that the Shindo/Verity match is phenomenal, and I think I've tried a good representation of amps (including Krell) over the years.