Jazz for aficionados

Learsfool, thank you for you comments. I completely agree with everything you have said, and I don't think my comments said otherwise. Remember we were not talking about what Wynton "does for jazz"; I made my feelings clear calling him a great embassador for it, and I certainly made them clear re his trumpet playing skills ("he sounds fabulous"). Although, I would still argue that he has not added much to the evolution of jazz trumpet playing; stylistically, and the opinion of the overwhelming majority of jazz trumpeters I know. The discussion was a simple one, and the comments just as: who would we prefer to listen to? And why? And I also made it clear that he is "definitely worth listening to". On wether he is one of the greatest jazz trumpet players that has ever lived; which (going back to the discussion) is, ultimately, what would make ME choose to pull out one of his records instead of others. If that is what you are saying, I would have to respectfully disagree. As a trumpet player, he is a phenom. And, btw, it is also the majority opinion within the Jazz trumpet playing circles that I know. Still, I think you would agree the subject of Wynton was not the big-picture being discussed, but finding "the good in any genre". As an interested individual, I would much rather have Rok be able to appreciate the folly in his comment that Stravinsky ("20th century classical") is not worthy compared to Mozart (I am paraphrasing) "PERIOD", than my views about Wynton. Thanks as always for the excellent comments and contributions.

A quick follow up to my comments re Wynton's jazz playing, albeit a very personal one subject to one's interpretation and usage of words: he often causes me to think (feel): WOW! Seldom, to say: AAH! (as in: aah! I get it, I hear what you're trying to say). However, when he speaks, and as Learsfool points out. and Rok has been saying, there is probably no better teacher. That does a great deal for the preservation of the art form, and to that extent I will concede, does a lot to promote the evolution of jazz. But, again, as a stylist, he is very derivative; unlike Miles, Shaw, Clifford, Morgan, and other greats. Those are the players that make me want to listen to their stories. But, man, can Wynton play the trumpet; amazing!

Great post Learsfool. Except for your comments about my attitude, of course. But who is perfect among us?

If you don't know what to say or do, the Lord will always show the way.,

While watching the tennis matches last night, I was glancing thru the lastest copy of Gramophone. They have an ongoing article where prominent people in the Arts talk about their experiences with music and list music they could not live without.

This man is the director of a Museum in Oxford, England. His opening paragraph was this:

" In the matter of music, I am a true amateur. I love music, and it is in both the foreground and background of much of my life, but I do not read it(something I have always imagined for my retirement) or play an instrument (ditto). I simply get great pleasure and solace from music, "

Well said, and applies to the vast majority of music lovers.

Btw, the music he could not live without was:
MAHLER: 'Das Lied von der Erde' Vienna / Bruno Walter
One of my earliest classical purchases, but by Berlin / Giulini

Cheers

Frogman, where is the retraction?

Recent Listens:

Ron Carter & Jim Hall -- TELEPHONE

Jimmy Smith -- BACK TO THE CHICKEN SHACK

Wynton Marsalis -- THE SPIRITUAL SIDE OF WYNTON MARSALIS

Freddie Hubbard -- READY FOR FREDDIE

Got Pleasure and Solace from them all. Carter and Hall was the surprise. Didn't think that combination of instruments in duet would work. It did!

Cheers

Acman3, you are an "Audiophile", this hobby is an important part of your life, and the music being discussed is also important to you. This might be the only thread where people who like the same music as you, are discussing it.

When you go to the record store, who do you go there to please? Eliminate the negative, and accentuate the positive.

Enjoy the music.