Jazz for aficionados

No frogman, I am not generalizing, I'm being very specific, I'm talking about JC; there he is with that horn around his neck, when he should be having a good time like everybody else. Miles is acting a complete fool, his picture shows it; that's what people do when they are at a party. What's Trane doing, he went to sleep with that horn around his neck. If that's not overdoing it, I don't know what is.

How many JC's are there? Do you think anyone can be another JC by practicing? Get real, JC was overdoing it. Of course "everybody" needs to practice if they can, but do you take your horn to a party? If the party is a party of the best jazz musicians in the world, maybe; but give it a rest sometime.

I'm convinced that working so hard was a detriment to his playing near the end. If Trane's playing lost McCoy Tyner, and Alvin Jones, where was he going? I believe he couldn't accept the fact that he didn't have to work so hard, that his natural God given talents would take him where he wanted to go.

The biggest reason I'm not trying to prove that summer ever happened is because I can not prove the music because none of it was recorded; but I had been following his music for 6 years before that summer, and this new music was too incredible to believe.

Isaiah Thomas is the best example of someone just letting it flow; if you saw that game where he couldn't miss, you would know what I'm talking about.

I was playing a tennis match, must have been in late August, that means I had played a lot of matches, and done a lot of practicing; and I wasn't even trying really hard, but I could see the ball very clearly, and it appeared to have slowed down. Normally I was conscious of back hand form, or forehand form, but this day I wasn't conscious of anything, I was just playing the game as it presented itself.

Before I even knew it, I had won the set, and everybody was talking about my ground strokes. The only thing I knew was that the ball felt, and sounded good coming off the racket. I never played a match that good again. What I'm saying is "You got to let it flow"; all that hard work a person has been doing for years will takeover. The giants of jazz talk about letting it flow. If a person tries too hard, the muscles are tense and don't cooperate as well.



Enjoy the music.

 

 

One of the most bizarre attempts at an explanation for why extreme dedication to the craft and always striving for improvement is a bad thing. I suppose it’s only natural and not surprising from someone who proudly proclaims to not want to learn anything about music.
I also find this "don’t work so hard, have a good time" attitude to usually be an attempt on the part of some to justify their own shortcomings and mediocrity. I am always looking to learn more, O-10, so please explain on what you base your assertion that JC’s hard work hurt his playing. Please give specifics about his playing and an example or two; this would make your comments relevant. Thanks.

But, here’s the really bizarre aspect of all this: the attempt at a black/white type connection between an artistic mind (JC) on a mission to constantly break new ground and the issue of "practice"; the distinction between the two things gets lost and that is where the reply interesting stuff can be found. Many musicians are obsessive workers who practice incessantly, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that they are reaching for uncharted artistic territory, they may be striving for perfection (or improvement) within their current artistic comfort zone. What distinguished JC was his never ending quest for new artistic ground. There is an important distinction here that may not be obvious to some. BTW, in the Jazz world, musicians break affiliations with band leaders to pursue solo careers as leaders themselves all the time because of their own need to follow their own individual artistic muse; the same process that JC is being criticized for here. Elvin Jones left JC, not because he didn’t believe in the music, but because JC decided to add a second drummer to the band. Ego?

Lastly, PLEASE, for the umpteenth time:. Alvin was a chipmunk, JC’s great drummer was Elvin. 😊

I know one thing for sure, you guys have certainly had enough practice in taking the word "practice" totally out of context, and you seem to have rehearsed this part.

Jzzmusician and I seem to be on the same page, now that he knows the proper context of the word "practice", yet you include him in your "charade". We all know a classical musician could not improvise if his life depended on it.

Rok, I think Harvey is a good name. Since that was the best summer I ever had (except for the surgery) in my life. I enjoy reminiscing about it. That same Summer before Harvey moved in, I met a beautiful lady at the lounge that served fantastic food, where Eddie Fisher played; how's that for a full house, plus she liked jazz as much as I did.


Enjoy the music.

****We all know a classical musician could not improvise if his life depended on it.****

Wrong again, O-10.  Improvisation is genre-blind and not necessarily unique to jazz; although much more important in jazz, obviously.

What would you and Learsfool do if I never posted?  You two are beginning to remind me of those guys in the doo wop groups where they sing and move in unison; I'll have to think of a befitting name for the dynamic duo; how about Clazzical and Jazzical the new musical sensation.