Jazz for aficionados

O - Your compliment much appreciated. Flattered, actually. That jazz remark you attribute to me was really a takeoff on what you yourself had posted.

Depending on context - call it "soul", magic, inspiration, emotional connection, spark (you get my drift) - it’s that mysterious transcendent something that elevates some music. Having a music degree and great technical chops do NOT guarantee it’s going to be present. I will certainly give you and Rok that. Though I also believe (and this is not original with me) study, practice, eduction and hard work can make the vessel better able to receive the gift when it’s granted.  Of course, we all respond to and feel that "something" differently. So another area for discussion and disagreement: what’s got it; what doesn’t.  We both agree on Maiden Voyage, though.  Glad it evoked a response in you - both now and back when you first heard it.

What would a movie be without music? No one can even imagine it; but do you think any of the "movie makers" want to learn anything about how to make music?

Nowhere is it stated that this thread should have anything about making music; it's about listening to, and evaluating "Jazz music". Everything about this thread is spelled out in the beginning; it's about collecting and evaluating "Jazz records", and that is what an "Aficionado" of jazz records does.

If you are an aficionado who wants to teach something about music, I have no objection to that. If there are aficionados who want to learn something about making music, I have no objection to that; however, I do object to including "yours truly".


Enjoy the music.

As with some poster(s)’ knee jerk reaction to new jazz, usually followed by silliness and ugliness, there is often more energy spent (posts) on objecting to, qualifying and bickering about dialog concerning the "making of music" than actually "listening to and evaluating Jazz music". I would venture a guess that only about 10% (at most) of the music clips posted here have been "new" Jazz. However, more times than not there is some ugly derision directed at the new music clips and/or the person posting them. This, while also and often ignoring the jazz-jazz clips. Why? Doesn’t this strike the objectors as a little bizarre and counterproductive? My point, and humble and friendly suggestion, is that since by now we all know where each of us stands (and it’s not going to change), with all due respect, proclamations like the above are not only unnecessary, but serve no purpose other than to disrupt the serenity. I would, however, like to ask the question: Since the thread is, as you suggest, about "evaluating Jazz music", kindly explain how a listener for who the "making of music" is inextricably intertwined with the "evaluation of music" (and it is for many many listeners; probably most, to some degree) is supposed to do that? Please consider yourself NOT included 😊

**** but do you think any of the "movie makers" want to learn anything about how to make music? ****

You better believe it! There are many aspects of the music making process that movie makers concern themselves with; starting with the choice of composers for the score based on understanding that only certain composers use certain instrumental (and vocal) textures and colors in such a way that serves the movie maker/producer’s vision of the role of the music in the overall product.

This is much to do about nothing; the teacher can continue teaching, and the students can continue learning.

O-10, I was not aware that there was a "teacher" and "students" here, but simply sharing of ideas and thoughts; much more positive and less contentious way to look at it if you ask me.  Serenity is good thing.  Great clip with Toots; love that record.  And if that record doesn't shatter preconceived notions about certain things,  I don't know what does.  Who woulda thunk that the harmonica could sound so elegant and masterful?  Great stuff.