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INTERNAL CABLING- Heres some choices, give me your two cents on these cables..... Please _

So here is what I'm working on.
The cabling in my Mirage M1's is 12 gauge zip cord, that has oxidized and turned green at the terminations. Problem is I don't have a huge amount of cash to spend on new cabling, as I've spent most my money on replacing the existing caps in the crossover, with Jantzen superior and Standard Z caps (theres like 20 caps in each crossover).  I need close to 50 feet for the two speakers and I only have 75-120 to spend on the cabling, this is a shoe string situation. I can't stand the idea of leaving the green cables in there.-

So here is what I have considered, Please let me know your thoughts on each of these-

1. Jantzen = Constructed of 2 conductors, 1 x red and 1 x black, AWG 17.

The Copper is oxygen free 99.9999% pure, solid core. Both conductors are individually polyethylene coated and padded out with stranded isolating fibres the wrapped in polyester tape and further encased in blue termoplastic casing.

My concern with the Jantzen is the size, its only 17 awg, My experience has been the Mirages are power hungry speakers and like big cables. I have big Tara Lab temporal continuum cables running them. Even the zip cord in side them is 12 awg, going 17 AWG makes me nervous. Any comments on this is appreciated.


2. Audioquest type 2, type 4, or G2, X2, Q2

Not sure if any of these are worth their cost. Wondering how much better the type 4 is than the type 2 or how much better the type 2 is over the G2, X2 or Q2.      audioquest.com/flat_series_bulk_spools/q2


3. Belden 9497- Dont know much about this cable, I have heard other people have had good results but not sure seems like the size isnt all that I would like.

4. Canare 4s11, again dont know much about these cables but I've heard a lot of good things about them for their price.

5. Ive looked at the Duelund, but they appear to be only sold in single strands, and the cost for the amount required.

6. Curious about Vandenhul  (VDH) cables, I am interested in the Snowline and the Skyline, However I haven't been able to find anything on these cables.          vandenhul.com/products/cables/speaker-cables


What I want to know is

1.  Has anyone had experience with these cables, whats your thoughts on them being used as internal cabling for a pair of Mirage M1's?

2. Is 17 Awg on the Jantzen cables big enough to effectively drive the 8 inch bass drivers on the M1's?

3. Has anyone used the the Vandenhul  cables that use carbon, whats your thoughts on their overall presentation, are they neutral, detailed, dull, bright, etc?

4. Is all the hype about using solid conductors over stranded true-?


As always thanks to all who give their two cents-



My system overall, 

Proceed Amp3 (eventually I will bi amp with a second one)

Proceed AVP-S

Mirage M1

Tara Labs temporal continuum Speaker cables

Audioquest Diamond interconnects

Musical Fidelity Vdac w/ J-RIVER (coming soon)







idahifi
sfall
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You're not supposed to use regular speaker cables like the AQ you list. You need what's called internal hook up wire. Here's a link to show you what I'm talking about. It's a list of bulk cables, so make sure it says hook up in the description. I'm pretty sure they used Kimber in the M series. That's good because Kimber has a huge selection. You shouldn't have any problem matching the same gauge stranded copper wire.

https://www.thecableco.com/Catalog/DIY-Cables
idahifi OP
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Is there a down side to using cables like aq ? I've heard of people using type 4 with good results, although it's all subjective. I used dh labs t14 years ago with phenomenal results, I would use them again but the price is 9 per ft. I've also read not to use stranded but rather solid core. I certainly don't want to place zip cord in there simply because it was what the factory used 30 years ago.
idahifi OP
100 posts
 
I'm not trying to doubt what your saying, just wondering what the advantage of using hook up wire is.
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grannyring
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I have a simple, low cost, and best solution for you. Go to Parts Connextion and purchase the new Duelund tinned and stranded copper wire in oil impregnated cotton. It is 16 gauge and will never oxidize.

It ihas replaced IC and speaker cables costing thousands for many of us Aphiles that know about it. Read Jeff Day’s blog on the wire. Jim Smith, noted guru of audio, also uses it. Amazing sounding and $10 per meter. You won’t find better sound cable and it will not oxidize!
sfall
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" I'm not trying to doubt what your saying, just wondering what the advantage of using hook up wire is. "

It's a perfectly reasonable question. When your speakers were designed and voiced, they were listened to as a sum of all the parts. Any time you change to aftermarket parts, you will most likely change the way the speakers sound. And its not always a good change. For example, your speakers are very laid back. You could install cables that can effect the bass and possibly make it stronger. Given the nature of your speakers, that's the last thing you want to do. Internal cables will effect the sound just like external cables do. I'm just saying to exercise caution. The change could be better, but you just don't know until you try it.
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