Help! Tweaking My Lovan Rack for new Big A**ed Transrotor Turntable!


Folks, some input would be mighty appreciated.

I’ve been using a hand-me-down (though very nice!) Micro Seiki dd-40 turntable for a number of years and finally got the upgrade itch (it helps the upgrade itch when your cartridge is going on 30 years old, and sounding like it!).

I went down the rabbit hole and picked up a Transrotor Fat Bob S turntable, with an Acoustic Solid 12" arm and a Benz Micro Ebony cartridge. All with only about 30 hours of use at a great price. Yay!

Though I have considered getting rid of my old Lovan Classic rack for a new custom jobby, I’m pretty much spent out and I think I’ll have to make do for now, working with the Lovan.

The Fat Bob turntable is 55 lbs of solid aluminum and built like Thor’s hammer.

I figure this will finally get me to fill my Lovan stands for a bit more rigidity - probably with rice. The stand is the old 3 legged triangular shaped bass, which means the thin MDF shelves can feel like they sit sort of precariously on top. But the stand itself feels quite solid.

I want to incorporate a wood platform base, as many do, because I really love the look of a nice wood slab.

At first I thought maybe I’d have 3 spikes drilled in to the bottom corners of the wood base to directly couple it to the rest of the Lovan frame, vs resting it on the top mdf shelf. But I’m not sure that’s really necessary. And I’d like to incorporate some isolation as well, I think. So I’m thinking of just laying it on the top shelf, with something in between.

My first thought is to place a Symposium Segue shelf between the top of the Lovan shelf and the wood base.

Other than that...I’m flummoxed as to all the other choices...roller blocks? Symposium Fat Padz? Vibrapods? Herbie’s Tendersoft footers? Voo-Doo Isopods?  What should I put between the wood platform base and my Lovan shelf?

Any comments of suggestions on the direction I’m going?

Thanks!

(BTW, I’m an resolutely NOT a DIY/Handy-man type, so I’m not trying to go to heroic efforts, wishing this to be as painless as possible).
prof
mulveling,

Glad you found it useful.

Though after a conversation with another audiophile pal - who has long been into turntables - I’m unsure how useful the info is. He suggests that when I’m doing the tapping test around the turntable with the iPhone app, I would be creating resonances well below those that are actually important sonically. That is: they may tell me about how well the turntable can be isolated from lower frequency foot traffic or whatever getting into the table, but aside from being bad enough to skip a record, that’s generally not the vibration interference frequency range I need to be concerned with (especially if no one generally walks around the turntable when I’m listening).

Rather, we have to be more concerned with resonances more likely to infect the signal, e.g. those coming from the turntable operation itself, which manufacturers seek to diminish with various approaches (e.g. mass loading in the case of the Transrotor table).

So I’m not sure how I can use the iphone app to actually measure those types of vibrations.

BTW, I received a package I’d ordered of sorbathane pads (1/2" thick). Doing the same tests, the sorbothane didn’t seem to really decrease the vibrations showing up through the turntable, on the iphone app. But, again, not sure how to interpret that. Sorbothane surely does absorb vibrations as it is successfully used to do so in various industries. So maybe my iphone app just isn’t measuring the right frequencies where I’d see the difference.

I’m also caught somewhat between two worlds, when asking for advice on this. On one hand I’m a long time audiophile, very familiar with the audiophile world of Stereophile/Absolute sound etc. On the other, I’m a skeptic about lots of what goes on as "knowledge" in the audiophile world, because audiophiles generally don’t have a very reliable method of testing claims, so it’s something of a wild-west mix up of technical conjecture and subjective bias effects, mixed into whatever may really be happening. Researching isolation control in the audiophile community, with all the differing opinions that include IMO dubious claims doesn’t give me a lot of confidence I’ve bumped into someone who has really figured this out, in a reliable fashion.

Still, I do like to take in various viewpoints and advice to see which ones make sense to me.


@prof I think you have been badly advised regarding the deleterious effects of sub sonic interference on turntables. Seismic noise is everywhere (traffic, construction, micro quakes) and eliminating it is highly beneficial. Hence manufacturers such as Doehmann build minus k platforms into the Helix turntable and users such as me use active platforms like the Herzan. You might also like that these types of solutions are well scientifically documented and proven to work - although at a costs 

While, as I’ve previously commented, I think your solution will amplify rather than reduce sub sonic interference it would be completely wrong to assume that seismic noise is not causing problems for any turntable
folkfreak,

Appreciate the input.
 
What aspect specifically of the design do you think would amplify sub sonic interference?
@prof my error, I’d mixed you up with the other thread where the OP was planning to drill a hole in their floor and anchor everything to a single post

Anyway I’m surprised no one has suggested lead shot as a stand filling option. I knew some think the sound is not ideal and it’s obviously risky to work with but it’s readily available and has admirable deadening and weighting properties. It certainly works for me in my Grand Prix stands

I am also a big fan of cup and ball footers under stands such as the GPA Apex footers. https://www.grandprixaudio.com/products/apex They are expensive but can be retrofitted into any standard 3/8-16 .875 threaded fitting (and can also be had in any other size as needed). When I upgraded my amp stands to these it was like the amps suddenly got another 6dB of headroom.

In regard to shelf options I’d get in touch with Ron Heydrich at Marigo. He sells excellent (expensive, think $1000 each) shelves in his proprietary multi layer blend but also has many other options to damp acrylic shelves or even small pieces of his shelf material to go under existing feet and address any issues you may have with your current setup
My friend has the exact same Lovan rack. It use to ring like a bell when excited.  His Dealer suggesting filling the legs with expanding spray insulating form.  He had to fashion a longer tube from the can but it worked great!  No more ringing.