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Thread for OWNER IMPRESSIONS, FEEDBACK, QUESTIONS, ETC. regarding DENAFRIPS DACs.

DENAFRIPS lists the following R2R DACs:

Ares, Pontus, Venus, and Terminator (in increasing price order).

"DENAFRIPS incorporated in year 2012, focus in developing high end audio equipment at a very affordable price. Throughout the years of intense Research & Development, and continuous improvement of the product lines, DENAFRIPS had finally settled with the current product range equipped with R-2R ladder DAC technology. The reason behind this is the designer strongly believe that R-2R DAC is the best way to reproduce music.

The name, DENAFRIPS, stand for:

D-ynamic
E-xquisite
N-atural
A-ttractive
F-idelity
R-efined
I-ntoxicating
P-ure
S-ophisticated

This mean a lot and it is the house-sound of all DENAFRIPS products." [Copied From Denafrips About Us section]
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@jayctoy Yes bring your CDs.
@1markr  Believe it or not, as I didn't want to use copyrighted music, the track I used on the demo was a recording of a Middle School Band my son played in when he was 12.  Not only the performance was great, the recording (unfortunately in mp3) was actually very good too, with good dynamics and clearly delineated soundstage.  I will bring it to AXPONA as one of the sample music tracks.
If you are interested in it, email me and I will send it to you.
If there is enough interest, I can make it downloadable from the Gingko Audio website.
Vinh Vu
Another update on the Denafrips demo at AXPON
Now that I have had a week with all four Denafrips models in my system, I thought I should summarize the goals of the demo to set the right expectation for participants.
I have taken care to ensure that all four models have had at least 200 hours of break in to make their performance comparable. I have measured their output levels to ensure that they are the same. All four are connected to the server and preamps using the same cables (Danacable TruStream USB and Diamond RCA ICs). Music control is via an IPad using Roon so that all four DACs can be grouped into one Roon zone allowing perfectly-synchronized music. So switching among the different models can be simply done via a preamp remote.

With that as the background, here is what to expect and what not to expect:

-         I call it a demo instead of a shootout because I dislike the term shootout. Shootout seems to indicate something is going to get shot down and the expectation is there will be a winner - the last one standing. Even if you compare among many makes with different sound signatures the concept of winners and losers requires a unique and definable set of measurable standards. In all my years in the business I have yet to figure out what these standards are. All I know is everyone listens differently and like different things, and each has his/her favorite sound, just like his/her favorite color. I assume that all of us listen to enjoy the musical performance and hopefully are moved emotionally by what the performer tries to communicate to us. High-fidelity is just a means to that end in that it seeks to recreate the original performance most truthfully.

-         A demo is meant to outline differences if they exist in the way the DACs sound. The difference maybe so subtle that they essentially sound the same. Where there are differences significant enough, one should be able to describe them. That is more important than whether one likes one DAC over the other as that is a totally subjective judgment.

-         As such, I find that it is more difficult to discern differences among DACs from the same manufacturer. They may all have a common “house sound” that fits the designer’s ear and any differences tend to be difficult to define. So I expect the differences are less pronounced among the different Denafrips DACs than between a  Denafrips and a comparably-priced competitor’s DAC .

-         So the results of a demo are only useful if the subjects can clearly define the audible differences so that they can be used to guide the determination whether one may like or dislike the DACs in question. One must use this information judiciously especially when the number of subjects in the test is small. A broad conclusion that one DAC is superior than another has to be based on clearly defined and universally accepted set of criteria.

-         So if the intent is not to shoot down any particular DAC but rather to describe their differences then a pairwise comparison is better than comparison among many DACs at once as it gets too confusing with more than two things to focus on at a time.

With all of the above considerations in mind, I plan to conduct the demo this way today:

-         Draw lots to assign the different Denafrips to the different inputs of the preamp so the audience does not know in advance which model they are listening to.

-         Again draw lots to select the two pairwise Denafrips models to compare first, then the other pair.

-         Play a selected music track for about one minute so the audience can get a mental picture of the performance, then repeat the same passage on another model immediately. I find that this is better than switching in real time as it is difficult to synchronize everyone’s brain to be ready at the time of the switch. Also, you will be listening to a different passage after the switching so it is difficult to correlate the characteristics of what you have heard before and after the switch.

-         Ask the test subjects to keep notes for each pairwise comparison as to whether they heard a difference and if they did to describe it.

-         After enough pairwise comparisons to discern the relative performance of the different models stop the demo and ask the audience to share with the group their findings.

-         Again, the goal is to see if there are differences among the models and if so how to describe them.

I will report findings of the session later on. They will help us decide how to streamline the demo at AXPONA so that it is most informative and helpful to the audience.

Vinh Vu

Gingko Audio and Danacable


A demo is meant to outline differences if they exist in the way the DACs sound. The difference maybe so subtle that they essentially sound the same. Where there are differences significant enough, one should be able to describe them. That is more important than whether one likes one DAC over the other as that is a totally subjective judgment.

+ Perfect! 

Vinh, I wish I could have attended. All the best. And most importantly, enjoy the company and the music!
The dry run of the demo was a successful and fun event for everyone involved.  The process I had planned on went without a hitch, the feedback was plentiful and helpful, the food was good, the music was great, and the company was even better.  What I got out of the meeting were:

- All four models have a similar Denafrips "house sound" that was enjoyed by all
- Even though it was a blind test (none in the audience knew which model was playing until the end when they have already formed and written down their opinion), the results were as expected, with one (explainable) exception - everyone picked the Terminator as their favorite and the models' performances were commensurate with their price points, except the Venus, which sounded a little constricted (less open-sounding).  That is probably due to the fact that the Venus had the least number of hours of break-in as compared to the other models (I have had the Terminator for almost 2 months and the Ares and Pontus were review samples).  So the Venus needs some more break-in time before AXPONA.
- For the demo at AXPONA, a pairwise comparison between the Terminator and whichever model has the most interest from the audience - e.g., its price point is right - playing the same musical passages in quick successions would be best to show their respective performances.
- The system sounded right with all genres of music and is primed to show off well at the show.

Thanks to all participants, who came from NJ, NY, PA, and MD (whose representative drove 3 hours each way to attend the event, thank you Richard).   AXPONA here we come!
Vinh Vu
Gingko Audio and Danacable