Jazz for aficionados


Jazz for aficionados

I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.

Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.

The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".

"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.

While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.

Enjoy the music.
orpheus10

*****Talk about “bogus”! Miles felt that attaching the “jazz” label to it was far too limiting and went counter to the true spirit of jazz: improvisatory creativity and boundless search for new ways of expression. The very meaning which ironically seems to elude some.*****

Lets see: He thought calling it JAZZ was too limiting because the true spirit of JAZZ is improvisatory creativity and boundless search for new ways of expression.

I guess that statement makes sense to you and your ’followers’. Btw, I didn’t say his music was not Jazz, Miles didn’t think it was Jazz, and Wynton said it wasn’t. That’s good enough for me. I guess your learned opinion trumps the opinion of Wynton Marsalis.


*****One of the recurring and mistaken “gems”. Kenny G anyone? Informed, thoughtful and open-minded listeners determine what is good (for themselves). *****

Well, ’listeners’ may determine what is good for them, BUT listeners don’t make a living playing music. Musicians do. And successful musicians know who and what ultimately signs their checks. The rest hang around barber shops talking what coulda, shoulda, woulda.


*****Hate to break it to you, but what artists crave the most is recognition from fellow artists; they are each other’s toughest critics.*****

Does not even pass the common sense test. Just something you said to Refute my point. You can’t eat or pay your rent off of peer group acclaim.


*****Ok, this one takes the cake. So, Mose Allison, jazz pianist, composer, singer and recording artist only THINKS that he is playing jazz. But, you know better, he really isn’t. Not that it is a kind of jazz that you don’t particularly like; it isn’t jazz at all. Poor guy doesn’t have a clue as to what he’s doing. Got it.*****


Absolutely. He thinks he is playing The Blues. Just like the middle class boys from London and Liverpool, and their fans. They think it’s the blues. Probably passes muster at Julliard. But not at the Rum Boogie. And trust me, they know.

Yes, I do know better. You think I was born yesterday? I think I know the blues when I hear it. Poor guy had a clue he was making money, mostly outside the South, other than that, he is clueless. I wonder if he ever played in any juke joints in Mississippi?

And I’m glad to hear you have finally got something. I was beginning to wonder.


I asked a few questions in my previous post, concerning new ’Jazz’ and the players thereof.. I see you were selective in ignoring them. hmmmmmmmmmm. Makes a body wonder.

Cheers

Btw, my career choice had no room for all this humility stuff. That’s where we agree that everyone will be right an equal number of times.




**** Btw, I didn’t say his music was not Jazz ****

You’ve been saying it is not jazz since you started posting here. Pleas don’t make me have to go to the “archives” to prove you wrong again.

**** Does not even pass the common sense test. Just something you said to Refute my point. You can’t eat or pay your rent off of peer group acclaim ****

I never say anything just to refute a point. Go spend a few decades around musicians of all persuasions and then get back to me. You have no idea of what you speak.

**** I asked a few questions in my previous post, concerning new ’Jazz’ and the players thereof.. I see you were selective in ignoring them. hmmmmmmmmmm. Makes a body wonder. ****

Perhaps you mean these:

**** 5. What year was the last Jazz Standard written?

6. These modern guys spend a lot of time playing, or trying to play, Trane, Parker et al. I wonder why? ****

Be careful what you wish for. I was merely trying to spare you any further embarrassment since the answers are so obvious and I found it hard to believe that you would have to ask. Just a few modern jazz standards that come to mind:

Birdland
Maiden Voyage
Wave
Forest Flower
Chameleon
Spain
A Child Is Born
Watermelon Man
Footprints

Most written in the late 70’s- early 80’s. Of course, and the key point, I have no doubt that you understand that just as it took decades for the songs that would eventually be considered “standards” to be considered as such, it will also take worthy newer compositions a comparable length of time. And, I’m also certain that you understand that most “jazz standards” were not written as jazz tunes at all, but were written for Broadway and other popular genres.

Re the players:

It is no surprise that you would not be able to hear that what good post -Coltrane players are doing is an extension of Trane without sounding LIKE Trane. Others still sound nothing like Trane (Lovano). Cannonball, Phil Woods, Charles McPherson and others were an extension of Bird, so should we ask why they were trying so hard to sound like Bird? Besides, I don’t think anyone who by his own admission has never liked Bird’s playing much is qualified to ask the question.

As always this nonsense gets very tiresome. Just what is it that you gain by denigrating others’ viewpoints which, if anything, are inclusive of others’ tastes?

**** That’s where we agree that everyone will be right an equal number of times. ****

Interesting.





*****Most written in the late 70’s- early 80’s. Enter your text*******

That's coming up on 50 years!!!!   That's what you call modern?


*****And, I’m also certain that you understand that most “jazz standards” were not written as jazz tunes at all, but were written for Broadway and other popular genres. *****


I know that, but I was speaking of  standards created by Jazz players / composers.   And you knew that.   Stalling!!

Your list seems kind of old to me.


*****As always this nonsense gets very tiresome. Just what is it that you gain by denigrating others’ viewpoints which, if anything, are inclusive of others’ tastes? *****

I am not denigrating anyone or anything.   Just stating my point of view, along with a few facts.

Having done so, I think I will take a sabbatical along with the OP.  As someone said recently, my kind of music is no longer discussed here.   But they did offer to give me links to places where it is discussed.   I sure do thank you all.


Cheers


My pleasure - acman3


Cecil Taylor was one of the pioneers of Avant Garde  Jazz.

Happy Listening!