frogman & orpheus10
Thanks for the cuts and explanation on Sonny Stitt. I have many Stitt recordings and never felt he was a clone of Bird . I had read some things to that effect but always felt it was a bad rap on his musicianship.BTW the cut of "Laura" by Stitt was beautiful , one I was not familiar with.
As to the question of the 1st bebop recording , it seems orpheus10 has changed the question to "who best represents the new bebop style that came out of that period of time" and as such has nominated Charlie Parker as the one who had the greatest influence and represented this new style of music in his playing . It would be hard to argue with his being chosen as many sources, including many musicians, point to him as being there at the beginning. So is Parker the best AND the first? I don't know.
I have found a Parker interview with Paul Desmond, I believe,
where he is questioned concerning his musicianship. Parker clearly states , as FACT, that he did a lot of study, sometimes 11-14 hours a day.He also says he studied with books and indicates this was a very important part of his development. So it is clear from this statement by Parker that jazz music can be intellectualized , comprehended and studied . And that WAS a key factor in his development as a musician. Jazz music IS evolutionary. Using Parker again as an example I quote Mark Gridley's "Jazz Styles History and Analysis"2nd addition. He writes "Charlie Parker wrote the song "Ko-Ko" atop the chord changes of "Cherokee" a previously written song and his improvisations were new melodies with "Cherokees" accompaniment. He also wrote that Parker. as well as other jazz musicians ,wrote new songs using pop tunes standard progressions of the day. So there you have it.
In the interview Parker talks about records he cut in 1942 with Dizzy Gillespie and one of those tunes being "Groovin High". So are their records prior to the 1944 tune cited by pjw that were before the musician union strike which represent bebop?
This was the first time I heard Charlie Parker interviewed. I was taken by how articulate and intelligent he was . And how humble he was concerning his talent , a rare and admirable quality I respect in any artist .
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T3W8Ff_4oFg
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=prbqc3C6968
BTW orpheus10 I enjoyed the cut by Oran Etkin you posted. I will look for some more of his music.
Thanks for the cuts and explanation on Sonny Stitt. I have many Stitt recordings and never felt he was a clone of Bird . I had read some things to that effect but always felt it was a bad rap on his musicianship.BTW the cut of "Laura" by Stitt was beautiful , one I was not familiar with.
As to the question of the 1st bebop recording , it seems orpheus10 has changed the question to "who best represents the new bebop style that came out of that period of time" and as such has nominated Charlie Parker as the one who had the greatest influence and represented this new style of music in his playing . It would be hard to argue with his being chosen as many sources, including many musicians, point to him as being there at the beginning. So is Parker the best AND the first? I don't know.
I have found a Parker interview with Paul Desmond, I believe,
where he is questioned concerning his musicianship. Parker clearly states , as FACT, that he did a lot of study, sometimes 11-14 hours a day.He also says he studied with books and indicates this was a very important part of his development. So it is clear from this statement by Parker that jazz music can be intellectualized , comprehended and studied . And that WAS a key factor in his development as a musician. Jazz music IS evolutionary. Using Parker again as an example I quote Mark Gridley's "Jazz Styles History and Analysis"2nd addition. He writes "Charlie Parker wrote the song "Ko-Ko" atop the chord changes of "Cherokee" a previously written song and his improvisations were new melodies with "Cherokees" accompaniment. He also wrote that Parker. as well as other jazz musicians ,wrote new songs using pop tunes standard progressions of the day. So there you have it.
In the interview Parker talks about records he cut in 1942 with Dizzy Gillespie and one of those tunes being "Groovin High". So are their records prior to the 1944 tune cited by pjw that were before the musician union strike which represent bebop?
This was the first time I heard Charlie Parker interviewed. I was taken by how articulate and intelligent he was . And how humble he was concerning his talent , a rare and admirable quality I respect in any artist .
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T3W8Ff_4oFg
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=prbqc3C6968
BTW orpheus10 I enjoyed the cut by Oran Etkin you posted. I will look for some more of his music.