Autoformer vs Speaker impedance Curve

I would like to know how to measure that. 30% is hard to imagine. I test amplifiers all the time with ordinary power cords and have never seen this. This reminds me too much of Bruce Brission's white paper which was a total embarassment to his distributor who promptly dropped his line.

Set up the amp on a variac with an appropriate speaker load and sine wave input. Measure the voltage drop across the power cord with the amp at full power. A 3 1/2 digit DVM is sufficient for this.  Then boost the variac voltage to compensate for the voltage loss. You may have to do this several times because as you increase the output power of the amp, the load on the variac increases too.

This came to our attention with our MA-1 amplifier back about 1998 or so. Bascomb King had measured the amp as only 100 watts where we get 140. I was wondering where the measurement error was and found it easily enough. We spec the amp at 120 volts (which is what Bascomb claimed he had) since these days that's more common than 117V. We normally set the incoming voltage by measuring it at the IEC connection, since there is typically a voltage sag in our variac. We have IEC connections on all of our products since we know that audiophiles will want to use or audition different power cords from what we supply; the idea that power cords make an audible difference is nothing new- its been around for decades (this is also why our MA-2 employs *two* power cords per chassis, to reduce the effect of the power cord). So the power cord isn't regarded as part of the amplifier in our test. Bascomb King didn't do it that way- thus the difference. By our measurements he was seeing about 117 volts at the AC input of the amp.

So it follows that the heavier the load on the power cord, the more audible the differences between power cords will become. This ignores the higher frequency aspects of any power cord's current delivery of course, but cynics of the fact that power cords can make a difference are usually silenced by the simple revelation that they never bothered to measure the power cord's voltage drop! It is easier to measure the effects the cord has on the product with which it is being used.
For example on our MP-1 preamp, which has heavily regulated power supplies, even though we can measure differences between power cords, we can't measure any differences in the performance of the preamp, nor can we hear any differences. So we can also conclude that regulation in the circuit plays a role here as well.

Ralph, would I be correct in thinking that the low B+ voltages that must be used for the 6AS7G power tubes in your amps, compared to the much higher B+ that is supplied to the tube types used in most non-OTL amps, would tend to increase the degree to which output power capability is sensitive to AC supply voltage variations?

Thanks.  Best regards,
-- Al

@almarg
No. If that were the only factor transistor amps would be more sensitive than tube amps in this regard, and I don't see that happening (although transistor amps don't have a filament circuit to cool off). I suspect Kirchoff's law might be in play there. But we use triodes and they are usually more susceptible to the actual B+ level due to reduced plate resistance and lower mu.

bdp24  

Thanks for citing those replies. I hope I have covered all if it but new questions are welcome. 

Several posters think a autoformer is evidence of a bad amplifier design. I don't think that at all though we have to be aware how a particular amplifier responds to a particular load. OTL amplifiers with reasonable number of tubes want to see 16 ohm and above speakers. So my recommendation is either get a high impedance speaker or get an autoformer to make your speaker high impedance. 

Several European radio manufacturers built OTL amps into common table radios. In their wisdom they used a 600 ohm speaker. Thats really cool.

McIntosh's use of an autoformer recognized that transistors like low impedances. If someone came to me and said "what impedance would you want to design an ideal SS amp"? I would say 1-2 ohms. That is exactly what McIntosh did.

So far I see this discussion has entirely ignored the resistance of the wire back to Hoover Dam. You can very easily measure this by plugging in a 1000-1500 watt space heater and noting the voltage drop. I do this when I look at buying a new house. Its so easy, the agents are amused, and you find out the actual resistance of your wall socket .... back to Hoover Dam. Sadly the lake is almost dry so I have to find another source to cite. I just like the sound of HOOVER DAM. Nice clean water powered electricty. 

The best I have found is a drop of about 3 volts at 1200 watts so that is 10 amps and the resistance is therefore 3/10 or 0.3 ohms. A poor house might have 10 volts, really bad wiring, which would be one ohm back to the Grid. It is pretty amazing to consider how you can get 0.3 ohms over all that distance, but transformers and 500,000 V transmission lines do the trick.

Now everyone knows their voltage fluctuates and frankly a good amplifier doesn't much care. The power loss with voltage in any well designed amplifier is related to V squared. If we loose 2 % voltage we loose 4 % power not 40%. Something is not right here. Good tubes operate with at plus or minus 5% filament range with no problem at all. No loss of power, none. Weak tubes are another story, but not good fresh tubes. I do this test on every batch of RAM tubes running the heater from 5.7 to 6.9 volts. The change in characteristcs is vanishingly small, within experimental error. 

However, now and then I do find a bad batch. I test in batches of 100 or more and one time I found some KT88s from Russia that went all over the place with filament variation. The provider of these tubes said they had sold thousands of that lot to... well im not gonna embarass anyone, but you know, the big guys, and nobody complained. 

So back to nuts and bolts. I don't believe this post of 40% and if it is true you had better go buy some kind of regulatiing power conditioner. The big one from Monster with the motor driven variac is quite good and I have used one at locations where I have large and frequent line variations. Otherwise I'm turning the variac all the time. My daytime voltage averaged 117 and 125 at night.

The resistance of a 5 ft, 16 ga power cord is 0.04 ohms not 0.4. Keep in mind that the primary of the power tansrformer in a typical large amplifier is wound with 50-100 feet of 16 ga magnet wire and and then another equal amount in the secondary. That's 10 to 20 times the resistance of a $5 power cord. The total equivalent resistance of a 500 watt transformer, referred to the primary is often 1-2 ohms.

Do what you will with power cords, but what are you going to do about the wire all the way back to Hoover Dam.

Bascom King (just one b please) is fine friend from Santa Barbara. I have visited his home and lab many times as he has visited mine. His lab is in an out building and I doubt with high current lines. We should all use a variac to measure amplifier power to make it a level playing field. In addition to that I like to run the line up and down at least 5% to see what happens to the bias and distortion. Often bias is very unstable which explains why high line can be a problem. Some lines these days run 125V which may be a problem for on the edge amplifiers. I have seen amplifiers (not mine) where a 5% rise in line causes a 10-20 % rise in bias current which added to the voltage rise causes a 15-30% or more rise in dissipation and possible thermal runaway. 

Theres a lot more to say about this but lets at least get real about the numbers. I don't see how Kirchoff applies though Thevenin is how one analyzes these situations. Kirchoff is for circuits with lots of nodes and branches. This is simple series resistance.