DAC Confusion


Just picked up a used Bluesound N100 at a local HiFi store in my parts that was listed here. Mentioned to the sales guy that I am starting fresh with a new system and need amplification. He suggested an integrated amp with a built-in DAC (NAD 368). Here’s my question: aside from the relative merits of that NAD unit, why would I need a built-in DAC when the N100 has its own DAC? He claimed the NAD DAC is superior to the one in the N100 and thus worth the extra $ I’d be paying compared with an integrated without a DAC. Hmmmm.... really? I know there can be qualitative, significant differences in performance between DACs, but between the one in the NAD 368 vs the N100? I’m a bit skeptical, and he didn’t seem too eager to let me do a listening test.

Bottom line, I gotta buy an integrated and my shelf space (and budget) is a bit tight, so if I’m gonna go the “Swiss army knife” route (to borrow a phrase from a related thread), it’s gonna be for a built-in phono stage for my LPs, not a redundant built-in DAC.

BTW, this will be driving a pair of efficient bookshelf speakers so I don’t need a ton of power. Of course, I mentioned that to the sales guy and he argued that I should buy as much power now as I could afford, to “future-proof” my purchase in case I decide to upgrade to more difficult-to-drive speakers later on. 

That’s when I left the store ;)

Sorry for the long-winded post. I’m a newbie and my head is spinning a bit over all of this.


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Sprout 100 and the new version of the NAD 3020 also on my list. I used to follow audiophilia years ago before I left it for other obsessions and at the time lusted after P$$$ Audio gear. The idea that I can now get a PS Audio integrated for budget audiophile dollars is kind of amazing. As for the new NAD my only hesitation is the somewhat difficult onboard controls, which got sort of slammed in some reviews for poor touch responsiveness. My wife has to use this system so (sorry for the borderline sexism) it has to be easy to use. Have they improved that at all in the latest version of the NAD amp? I guess the remote is an easier backup...
OP

On my 3020v2 I use the included remote all the time, there is no function I can think of you cannot accomplish from the remote.

On/off, volume up/down, source selection, bass enhancer, mute.

Can’t think what else you might need.
As I said it was for my daughter so borderline sexism accepted ... Lol.
As the 3020v2 comes with a inbuilt DAC anyway if you went that route it would be real easy to a-b the two DAC.

Hook up with RCA cables and a digital cable too( spdif or toslink).
Then you can flip flop back and forth between them to see which you prefer.

Although I do agree that neither are state of the art, they may be enough for your present needs and it’s so easy and relatively cheap to upgrade to a Better DAC anyway.
Thanks Uberwaltz, all good points. But stop the presses! Peachtree Audio Nova 220SE on auction site for $500+ and counting. At 220 watts, this could be the last amp I ever need, setting me up for future upgrade to more demanding floorstanding speakers. It doesn’t have a phono stage but that can be had for not much of an added investment.

I will be watching this auction closely. Gotta figure it’s at least worth the $600 I’d spend on the PS Audio and probably a bit more than that for the MUCH more powerful amp stage....
Well if you are wanting THAT much power then yes the Nova is a great buy.
I also have one of those in my second system......

Seriously good value for money, mine is a slightly older Nova and I swapped the tube out in the preamp section so not quite apples for Apple’s comparison now.
Plenty of inputs, sub out, headphones out and yep plenty of power.
I honestly think it is a little on the bright side but that could also be the Tannoy speakers it is hooked up to.
I can say it's DAC is very good, I feed it the Bluesound signal via toslink.

Sources for this are Bluesound vault2, Nakamichi cassette deck and an old Sony Discman donated by our very own resident GK!

I think it is likely to hit between 7 and 800 and if you have that budget then go for it. Also a new one listed for 1099.
You could probably pick up a decent used phono stage for less than $200.