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What about diamond cantilever/stylus combo

In the so called 'MM thread' J. Carr explained the differences between cantilever materials.The advantage of aluminum cantilever being that the stylus can be pressure
fitted while by the so called 'exotic cantilevers' the stylus need to be glued in the cantilevers. There are different conditions which the cantilever need to satisfy
in order to ,uh, satisfy the preferences of an designer. J. Carr also explained why he prefers boron cantilevers. Now I own the Sony XL 88 as well as the Sony XL 88 D.
'D' referring to the cantilever and stylus made from one piece of diamond. But here is my confusion. Both carts have the same 'generator' and also the same technical specs. But 'soundwise' they are as different as an Lada and an Ferrari (by way of speaking or by exaggeration). The comparisson between French wines as well between the French chief cooks come to mind.BTW the pudding will also do. Without any technical pretenitons I would think that the only explantion for the mentioned difference should be the diamond cantilever/stylus combo. If it was possible I would gladly retip my chosen MC carts with such cantilever/ stylus combo and pay, say, $1500 for the jewel. Now if there is demand then there should be supply? The question is if there is 'interesting demand' for the possible producer(s)?

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nandric OP
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Dear dover, I do know that you in New Zeeland have holy water

but ''obviously'' also some ''mean poisons''. You are a kind of

master in putting the poison in your post. But the known saying

''Diamonds are for ever'' is misleading because one of those 2

pieces need to be ''retipped'' after , say 1000 hour of use. In

this case the owners of ''one piece diamond + stylus'' are

probably the dupe. Consider , say, Coral stone with one piece

diamond + for 15 K and worn out  stylus.  Should such person

take ''your poison'' to kill himself?  While with some disadvantage

in terms of ''sound reproduction'' the two pieces diamond has

at least 14 K advantage. So, obviously, the glue is not a bad thing

at all (grin). However , except in terms of luxury, there would be

not much difference between boron and diamond cantilever.

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chakster
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I to have heard rumors of the one piece sony diamond stylus / cantilever combo but have never seen a picture. Namiki currently makes a diamond assembly but it is two piece where the diamond is set in a laser drilled hole.


www.intactaudio.com/forum/files/screen_shot_2019_01_01_at_110035_am_295.png @intactaudio

Thanks for the link, well this is conventional method. However, i can’t see a glue on Dynavector, Diamond or even Ruby have almost no glue in comparison to the SoundSmith Ruby for example (which has a big drop of glue to fix the tip). The old method of Dynavector is to make a hole in the gemstone to fit in the stylus tip throght the hole with minimum glue @dover

As i can see the SoundSmith method is completely different, there is no hole, just a drop of glue around the tip, here is another one after re-tipping.

Anyway, i hope to see a picture of one piece diamond cantilever/stylus combination
dover
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@nandric 
I'm not bothered by cantilever material, the final arbiter is the overall performance in your TT/arm/system. FWIW the previous owner of my Final Audio Parthenon had both the Sony XL88D ( one piece diamond cantilever ) and Dynavector Nova 13D ( 2 piece diamond cantilever ). He kept the Dynavector, returned the Sony XL88D. Final Audio also offered 1 piece diamond cantilevered MC's designed by Yoshihisa Mori based on the Sony design - 1 with full 1 piece diamond cantilever/stylus, another with 1 piece diamond cantilever/stylus but the cantilever in the latter sample was half length with aluminium sleeve.
Over the years diamond cantilevers have been used by several lesser known ( in the west ) boutique cartridge manufacturers, but it is only one component in many that produce the final result.
As regards value, the incremental cost of the diamond cantilever on the Koetsu is $5k - even a cheap car would lose that value in 1 year, but you should get 3-4 years use out of the Koetsu, so it's all relative.    
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Dear chakster, you seem to suggest that ''little bit glue'' is no

glue at all. This remind me of this young man who by way of

comforting the parents stated: ''your daughter is little bit pregnant''.

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Dear dover, I somehow always expect scientific arguments from

you. The (single) case of the previous owner of your TT is

not very convincing argument for whatever. I already mentioned

that according to ''some'' the Sony XL 88 D is regarded as the best

MC ever made. ''Some'' may mean more than one person. But

neither argument is convincing.

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