Small or big tubes/valves for pre amp ?


Hi guys, have been thinking about going to a tube pre with a solid state amp.

I have a hybrid intergraded amp with small tubes in pre section, I am no expert in tubes, but know my way around the 6DJ8 / 6922 / ECC88 variants where I have preferred the Mullard tubes with my amp.

The pre amp that I have my eye on is the Don Sachs model 2, it uses bigger tubes and I am told that the bigger tubes have better sound than the 6922 variants I am used too.

Would appreciate if someone could enlighten me about the difference in sound signature between these tubes, I believe that Don uses 6SN7 tubes. http://www.dsachsconsulting.com/custom%20line%20stage.html

Thanks!



gryphongryph
This worries me a bit to hear, although I am no bass freak, I like tight bass, using a solid state power amp instead of tube power amp make any difference?
This worries me a bit to hear, although I am no bass freak, I like tight bass, using a solid state power amp instead of tube power amp make any difference?
'Tight bass' isn't natural bass, FWIW. It usually occurs in stereo systems where the woofer is overdamped.  6SN7s have no worries playing bass- no tube does- any tube can go to DC.

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IME/IMO, the worst of the 6SN7s are as good as the best of the miniature tubes. When you get a good 6SN7 no miniature tube competes. We use 6SN7s in all our preamps. We used to use miniatures in our amps decades ago, but when I discovered that 6SN7s were back in production, we switched over to them and never looked back.


Microphonics can be an issue, but that is true of all the miniature tubes too- in particular the 6DJ8/6922 family. BTW, the 12AU7 and 6CG7 are based on the 6SN7. The latter is literally a 6SN7 in a mini envelope; the former has half the plate area but similar geometry and so acts very similar on paper, but neither sound as good as the real thing.


Andy Bowman has been supplying our customers with good tubes for a long time.


We've been getting feedback on the TJ Music, Black Treasure Psvane and Sophia. They are universally liked, in particular the former two; with comments like "the best of all the NOS tubes rolled into one without the weaknesses". That's a pretty serious statement- but we hear it a lot. We have found though that the Sophias have been short-lived in comparison.
I use 6SN7GTBs in both my Schiit Freya (4) and my Dennis Had Firebottle SEP HO (1). NOS Amperex in the Had, NOS RCAs and Sylvania "chrome domes" in the Freya...utterly great sounding all around and I haven’t noticed any lack of bass with Sylvanias as this combo has slam for days. I do have a pair of REL subs in this system though...in the Freya The RCAs are in the "input" and the Sylvanias are the others, but it sounded great with all Sylvanias, just a little better with the RCAs. No dreaded microphonics, no hum, certainly the quietest tube rig I’ve heard, and, again, not a euphonic grease fest but clarity and tonal bliss (I think I just went too far)...efficient speakers make it work. All 6SN7GTBs certainly simplifies things for tube collection fun, and GL KT77s (2) round out the tubulars in this system.
I actually use the Shuguang Black Treasure KT88-Z in my Granite 864-SR. I also have  a pair of the Sylvania 6SN7GTA Chrome dome 3 hole black plates and 2  pair of Jan CHS (sylvania) 6SN7GT-VT231..
If i try to use the SylavniaGTA  in V1 and Sylvania GT in V2  or any combination of these in V1 or V2 .. I lack BASS.
I had originally ask for and tried the Ken Rad 6SN7 with the Sylvanias V1,V2... kiler bass , but Ken Rads were Microphonic. I then tried some Tung Sol Round black plates . They were also microphonic. I asked Andy to send me another pair of Sylvanias that have good bass... to use with the other Sylvanias , his reply was that none of the Sylvanias can do Bass as well as the Ken Rad or the Tung Sol, (cause once i heard the bass with the Ken Rads and or Tung Sols .. i had to have it)  Andy actually said that the only 6SN7 tubes that can do Bass like I heard and wanted was the Ken Rad or the Tung Sol  

So if using two Sylvania 6SN7, one in V1 and the other in V2, and it did not matter which Sylvanias (i tried. I tried all but the Metal Base ones) the Bass was lacking .
As a matter of fact most of the combinations of 6SN7s in V1 and V2 in those amps, lacked Bass IMO. ...unless i had a Ken Rad or Tung sol in V1   That was my experience with 6SN7 tubes.
Therefore i know use a 6F8G in V1 with the 6SN7 adapter.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tube-adapter-6F8G-to-6SN7-1-pair-/153299100833?item=153299100833&ViewItem=&nma=true&si=apYGBdYiWyN493VkmTacst7L9wQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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