Wadia direct into amp, Sound a bit too lean??


Hello everyone:
I need a little help here. I'm using my Wadia 861se direct into my Rowland 302 amp, but the sound is a bit too lean for my taste. I'd like to make the sound of my system to be fuller by changing the ICs. Any comment will be helpful. The rest of my system are: Avalon Eidolon, Acoustic zen silver reference II ICs, Hologram II speaker cables, MIT oracle AC2 for wadia.

Thanks,
Jerry
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I own a GNSC Statement Wadia 861 and run mine directly into a Boulder 1060 amp. I've tried many ics from Jena to Tara 0.8s(including MIT Oracle V1.1s, both single ended and balanced. I am currently using the 0.8s(balanced) and NBS Omega 1 speaker cables and now the sound is a little leaner than it was with the Tara "The One" speaker cables I was previously using. Whether you run balanced or not, there are a lot of ic and cable combinations that would minimize the harshness without giving up the definition that a high resolution system such as yours should be capable of. Before I would invest in an expensive preamp, I would certainly try cabling first. I am currently experimenting with a Purist Audio preamp(differentially balanced tube design)running balanced through the 0.8s. I then have my Wadia connected to the preamp via Cardas balanced cables. It certainly sounds different than it does when connected directly. I only went this preamp route because I was planning on getting back into vinyl and I needed a switching device. I have yet to hook up my analog system so now I'm really just jumping back and forth between the two setups. I don't think I have the ideal combination just yet, but somehow I'll figure it out.
Running my 861 direct to ARC vt-100III. I recently changed my mains cable to NBS pro III, and got rid of any leanness I was having. I was very surprised at the improvement.
I'd get rid of the AZ silver reference and try the matrix copper instead...seriously.

Not to slight Wadia, however at one time I had the 270/27ix combo. I picked up a Levinson 390S on a whim and ended up selling the Wadia combo. I find the Wadia players algorythms to add a "sheen" to the sound that doesn't appeal to me. A friend recently brought his 861SE over for a shootout. Same cables on both players, same CD, level matched the volume. 2 weeks later he called me after he picked up a 390S as well. He runs the 390S direct. The Levinson has an analog volume control instead of the bit-stripping digital piece Wadia employs.

For the longest time, I thought that Wadia would be the "be all, end all". Perhaps for some, and again it will also be system dependant. I'm not here to knock any brand, only to report my findings.

I have also found that I am better served by a good preamplifier than I was running the Wadia or the Levinson direct.

Best,

Paul :-)
Thanks again for all the replies. I just got a AZ Marix Reference II for a home audition, and it does give a fuller body to my system. I'll definitely try to get a pair of Cardas ICs for home audition too. As for the output voltage, I don't think I can go higher than .5v for my set up, If I go any higher, I won't be able to keep the volume above 90.
I own a Wadia 850 and had a similar problem with lean bright sound. When I ran short interconncets the sound changed for the better. I used Coincident CST's. They can take a while to break-in but well worth the wait. The change with the shorter ic's was not subtle. Try it. Also consider maple platforms and brass footers from Mapleshade. This to will reduce the internal vibrations which can brighten the sound.