David Wilson must be a little annoyed...


the Absolute Sound has pronounced the relative new-comer Magico as having designed the least-flawed loudspeaker in the world (the Q7). the Wison XLF is described as the best "cost-no-object" speaker, and while "flawed" in some respects, is the company's best effort yet. given the lengthy history of attempts at making a perfect transducer, Wilson and its many devotees might take all this as a funny way of saying "better luck next time" instead of "this by far exceeds all that has come before which was already pretty darn good".
i have little doubt that, for $180,000 (or name another huge number) the Q7 is very VERY good. the cabinet is "inert", the drivers weigh next to nothing, and the crossovers are made from premium parts arranged as carefully as technology allows. But once upon a time, the B&W 801 Matrix ($5500) was
called the "audio end of the road" by Stereophile. so ACCURATE was this loudspeaker that you could tell what kind of bassoon the guy in the orchestra was playing, and on what row, completely distinct from every other instrument being played. you needed a chain of superior components upstream of course. but i will never forget personally auditioning this speaker and thinking "WOW"
as the music was clearer and cleaner with the best bass extension than anything i had ever heard before.
of course better speakers HAVE since been designed and the bass i was so impressed with turned out to lag behind the other drivers and needed a better design, better parts, etc. to catch up. but the Kevlar midrange unit is still with us in various forms, and the isolation of the "head unit" from the low-bass is also still a common technique. but how many multiples of $5500 (even allowing for inflation) does it take to clean up the sound of a loudspeaker, and also keep it from "shaking and baking" if you really crank up the volume?
I think everyone knows that probably $20K, maybe $30K, should give the speaker manufacturer a lot to work with. And for $50K you could wrap it in the most attractive materials on the planet Earth.
After 60 some odd years of reading about "OMG" components in the audio press, I would love to congradulate Magico on the one hand, and express my annoyance from another (and another ad.infinitum) article about the new greatest hi-fi thing for [you can't afford it]. personally i just happen to like the shape and appearance of the Q7 a lot, very clean, very uncomplicated. i do favor using grill coverings however, and feel that should always be an option
lest someone comes along "poking" the drivers to see how they move. there might even be some "contour" controls on the back turning up or down the tweeter or attenuating the bass to allow for a less than perfect room (although how could one place a "perfect" speaker in an imperfect environment?)
if this entire argument is exciting, or conversely tiresome, i just would like other persons' reactions to these pronouncements in the audio press.
and WHAT IF the Wilson XLF was placed side by side with the Q7 and you asked pro reviewers as well as music lovers to decide which speaker was better and/or which would be easier to live with long run?
while you're at it bring in a Rockport, MBL, Kharma, Nola, etc. set of speakers and try to decide all over again. Make it even more fun, and limit
the selling price to $50K or below, and see just how close you can come.
Just some random thoughts as we enter into the Audio Cliff....
french_fries
"The league we are talking about is the accurate representation of the recorded event. "

Having attended many live events in many venues over the years, including a dozen or more this past year alone, I would say that OHMs are definitely in that league then IMHO and represent a tremendous value compared to Magico and perhaps also Wilson.

OHM sells direct only and does not advertise and market other than via word of mouth of owners. I suspect that to help keep overhead costs low and a focus on delivering the best sound possible for minimal cost enables what is delivered. OHM and Magico or Wilson cannot be compared in regards to how their products are marketed and sold.
"Many people just love the Bose sound. And Ohms. And I don't doubt that many enjoy the music through these systems more than many audiophiles enjoy music through their expensive systems. I enjoy music through my car radio too. But I don't pretend that it is accurate or high end, or try to compare my car stereo to a high end home system, like you compare your Ohms to Magico, Evolution, or Wilson. Your overwhelming/advertising number of posts on A'gon regarding Ohm (reflected by clicking on 'mapman'), and here your attempt to compare yours Ohms with Magico, EA, and Wilson is, like Ohm speakers, hardly transparent. But as long as you enjoy them, then more power to you."

What a condescending load of crap!

At least I am consistent and say what I mean. No need to apologize for that. Sorry if find the idea that speakers costing way less that more people might actually be ab le to afford and not targeting the high end specifically might compete with the poster boy brands of high end audio.

Maybe they do, and maybe they do not. One looking to spend tens of thousands or more on speakers otherwise would have little to lose and much to gain by finding out for themselves though I would say.

And I am always glad to talk about any product that I am fond of for whatever reason with anyone who is interested. It's nice to have a place like Audiogon to discuss these things where at least the discussion and learning about good sound and audio needed to make informed buying decisions is free.
>>>That's a shootout I wish I could participate in! Very true...... fun! fun! fun!

Eddiesudz,

I am sure you would, but people who buys Ferrari (Or Magico) are not interested in such petty. They have better thing to do then trying to justify their social status. Move on, enjoy your speakers and live within your means, both financially and mentally (-;
Mr. Mapman, methinks thou doth protesteth too much.
Enjoy your Ohms and enjoy the holidays.
Best regards.
"Mr. Mapman, methinks thou doth protesteth too much."

The grouping with car audio is what set me off. Really??? C'mon and get serious.

Peace on Earth!