Vpi vs. TW Acustic

May I ask, are the Raven sold via regular Dealers or direct from the US Importer?

Sirspeedy,
You have a long way to go to convince me that I made a poor decision on buying a Raven.

When I bought my Raven One I wasn't influenced by any magazine review because there wasn't any, at lease here in North America.
And here on Audiogon, at the time, there were a handful of favorable mentions of the Raven tables, with this I added TW Acustics to my short list of tables.

You say, A good VPI or Sota will knock the socks off the overpriced , underdesigned but oh so pretty Raven.....

Overpriced and under designed !?, what compared to VPIs Superscoutmaster Reference complete with MDF plinth and very poor rubber belt drive system....

This is your second attempt at bashing TW Acustics though this time around you have included owners.

Your simply bias towards TW Acustic and if you actually heard one no matter what it did well you would never admit to it.

Just what is it your going on about, are you trying to save us from something?

Do you see yourself as the Ralph Nader of this hobby?

Sirspeedy, it's a hobby, calm down.

Sirspeedy has an issue of other sorts. He has sold off his system due to having a problems that have nothing to do with TW.

Sirspeedy why don't you just come out and state your true complaints. It isn't fair to everyone here for you to bash a product based on your personal grudge. I am sorry but it is far too obvious.

The Raven one is not overpriced, the AC and blacknight are, overpriced sort of. In my opinion all audio gear is overpriced after say $5k per component and maybe $10k for speakers. Sure audio can and does improve when you go up in the price range but the improvements are very little when compared to the price.

I think a well matched $20k system can do better in a dedicated and treated listening room then a $100K system in a modern living room.

Just paying a lot of money doesn't garentee a great system.

Sirspeedy,bashing is OK, IMO. For instance, I just had a well hyped cartridge in my own system, it was the ONLY new variable, it made my whole system suffer. Am I now to assume my whole system sucks, or did just the new cart? My opinion on this cartridge is pretty "controlled". Is your opinion on the TW a "controlled" opinion?

Bashing a product is fine, as is calling into question value, IMO. However, I would like proper context. For instance I heard the TW with this cart and this arm, played through these electronics and these speakers, all of which I am very familiar with. Or better yet, I had the TW in my own system for audition, and BTW I had on hand both the SOTA and the VPI, and I switched cart from table to table. Thus, I got a pretty good feel for the character of the table.

However, unless I missed it you have not provided specific information. Again feel free to bash but please do provide more information when doing so. Without such information opinions are of ZERO value.

David