Thankyou Calvinj, I see you found our new home, I E-mailed you to, to make sure you knew where to find the thread, you know, That Taralabs thread, the one versus the 0.8 thread was our home for a very long time, we had 1,968 post, likly an all time record for one cable thread, thanks {Pops-Jerry} for starting that thread and all the memories!