Back to analog ..was it a mistake???


Like alot in the 1980s I went totally digital.Took my 300+ album collection and boxed them up never thinking I would venture back.My current digital system is about everything I always wanted.Black background,nice sound stage,fast,clean,detailed yet very musical.The speakers disappear and instument seperation is there and in the correct locations.Vocals are superb on all types of music IMO..
From strong suggestions from my bro I decided to try the analog approach again even though the analog systems Ive heard recently never came close to my setup.I bought a mid 1980s Linn lp12 and did some upgrades to it..Mose/Hercules2,new Akito2 arm,belt,oil,Denon DL160,cables..had it setup correctly.Bought a new Musical Surroundings Phono.Spent days cleaning records.What I have in sound is nothing short of a big dissapointment for the time and money spent.Forgetting the snap,crackle, pop which is very hard to get around the sound stage is nowhere to be found.The speakers no longer disappear,its like taking 10 steps backwards..Yea, I know the Linn isnt the beat all table as well as the phono but something is amiss here.Ive tried a few adjustments and things seem to become a little better but when I do the digital it becomes clear my analog attempt sucks.Am I expecting too much from my new investment back to analog???Is all this analog talk just talk from guys who never had a great digital system??Any positive imput or suggestions is appreciated..Thanks in advance
missioncoonery

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Missioncoonery
I am not defending either side of the coin here... However there is one guarantee, I have an analog setup including table, HUGE isolation block out of solid maple, perfect custom Phono amp matched with cartridge sporting the Sound-smith ruby contact line stylus and it would put a smile on your face vs. anything you could muster in identical recordings on a vinyl or cd as long as you could have comparable recordings on each.

HOWEVER, this is SO dependent on the original recordings you are trying to play, some are Dogs, some are just bad pressings of Great albums that 1 out of 5 are just bad, the other 4 are great same label, same series, same year etc...

This takes a lot to get down to the bottom line best, I went thru 3 different versions of several "Vinyl" recordings to match and or beat a very good Red book remaster on CD for example and this to many is just not worth it.

It is much more hit and miss than digital these days, however if you hit not miss there is no other equal to a perfect vinyl playback in general vs. CD.

A lot of patience, work, and simply understanding of what issues cause what lack of sound you are getting are keys to this game. Some recordings just can't be saved or perfected, but another copy of the same thing all of a sudden sounds perfect.

And types of music becomes even more difficult to pinpoint, for example the Beatles, Zeppelin, and even most good Pink floyd Cd's sound like a joke once heard on an excellent copy of vinyl. Another couple of great sets I just grabbed that NO CD even on a 15 k Wadia sounded as good are almost all the Police albums, and Peter gabriel on Vinyl are just way beyond.

Again its hit and miss, not a direct answer to your issue. Again many times this does not come all the way down to gear and setup, but just some times people have to realize you can't fit a round peg thru a square hole.

If you just want to throw something on, not think too much, be happy than this is not the game for you. For audiophiles in general this is not the game, this is for the real deep tweaking, money spending, gotta find the end all be all drive tweaking audiophiles for sure.
Missioncoonery
I will offer this in closing.. Supended tables, (metal spring designs) I have found far more finicky and far less substantial in bass foundation, CD like crisp dynamics, and solid soundstage in general...

So whether people like to argue the Linn or AR or whatever classic tables are fine like the next, I have found truth is the solid non suspension tables are far more well "Solid" sounding.. And I experienced similar to you with my first tables being Spring suspended in the past. Its possible that with all these newer Tweak ideas out these days to really mod these tables will help.

I saw a Thorens going for 2000 re-furbed on this site the other day, and one of the highlighted upgrade tweaks now used on that table was to remove the dampers or some type of rubber grommets utilized with the original springs, supposedly causing this table to sound way better than it otherwise possibly could with all other tweaks available today.

I have also found "Soft Puck" approaches under the tables are bad, as well as all the older tables with springs under the Feet as well, much better on solid spikes under it all the way.
Good luck