I found pictures on the web as to how these cables are assembled, very involved looks quite tedious. If I can find it again I'll post the link. |
bg1968, I have never tried the cables you have mentioned. But, I have compared the Cerious Graphene cables to Purist Dominus, Synergistic Apex, Kimber Select, HF Ultimate and so many more. So, if any of those cables have been compared to the cables you have mentioned, the Cerious Is better! |
John, Ok, your right, it is in my humble opinion. I was just trying to give the poster some sort of comparison. I doubt that his question will get much response comparing the Cerious Graphene cables to the WyWires. But, I suppose you never know... |
mac48025, Congrats! I think you will be impressed. What kind of equipment do you have? ozzy |
keithtexas, I'm curious, what are you using in place of the digital Cerious Graphene cables? |
keithtexas, Thanks for the info. After all it is all about how our systems perform and enjoyment. Though I haven’t always done this, I do try to get a complete loom of the same cables. I believe that as a cable is made it is probably tested with the manufactures other cables. mac48025, Glad you enjoy them. The power cords are also very good. taisisuper, Bob, is basically a one man band that at times can be difficult to get a hold of. And, he just got married, so he’s probably still chasing the wife around the house. I have some very long lengths of Bob’s previous design that I use with my subwoofers. I thought that they had very good bass quality. But, they were not quite as impressive as the latest Graphene versions. ozzy. |
tommylion,, Congrats! Wait till you complete the loom with the Cerious Speaker cables....There will be an even bigger WOW! ozzy |
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I think it is part of the conductive signal. |
The wire is called the "backbone" conductor. Take a look at the link that is provided. |
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roxy54, The speaker cables are great! And I needed a 4 meter double run for my Bi-wired Eggleston Andra ll's speakers. And I must add that the power cords also are very good. He sells different power cords for different applications. Such as for Digital, Amps etc. Heck, even the Digital AES/XLR cable is much better than my previous cable. Once I completed the loom and put some time on the cables everything locked into place. geoffkait, I'm not going to continue the debate on the purpose of the graphene, assume what you may, my message however is in the sound quality. |
mapman, thanks for your posting. I wonder how the SR cables are made? They claim to use graphene in there design, albeit at much higher prices. geoffkait, You may be right, I just don't know, sorry. I do have to give Bob Grost from Cerious Technologies credit for thinking outside the box in his approach to making cables. I will also add that I had the Bybee Signal Enhancers sitting on top of my previous speaker cables. But, with these new Graphene Extremes the Bybee's sort of took away some of the sound quality, so I removed them. There must be some interaction between the Bybee's design and the Graphene Extremes. Very interesting... |
lancelock, The NEO is again one of those cable makers that think outside the box. But, I ended up selling most of them. I prefer to have a complete set of the same cables. Even my highly regarded HiDiamond cables couldn't compete. |
The web page is confusing. Choose the Graphene cables section. There should be about 3-4 different types. |
I just looked at the web page. It doesn't describe the different power cables much. There are; Digital, Hi power and Low power analog and a Power Conditioner cord. You probably need to send an email or call Bob. |
jafant, My system should be listed on Audiogon. But, the short version is: Pass Labs X350.5 Amp PS Direct Stream dac PS P-10 Power conditioner Bryston BDP-2 usb player BSG QOL JL Audio F113 subs Eggleston Works Andra 2 speakers |
knghifi, Well, I had at one time a full loom of the Top of the line SR cables.($$$). I think it was the Tesla and Apex series with the upgraded galileo couplers as such. Then I moved to a complete loom of HiDiamond cables, what a relief to get rid of all those extra SR wires. Then, I had a mixture of HiDiamond and the MAD Scientists NEO power cords. Each step in my opinion improved the sound quality. Now, the Graphene Extremes are the best yet! David, I have replaced all my fuses with the SR black. |
Gentleman, Drum roll please... I just put up for sale my Cerious Graphene Extreme speaker cables. They are 4 meters in length and are Bi-Wired with spades all around. I’m moving on to mono block amps so I don’t need this long of length.
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I estimated the weight I may be a little high. But it will be a large package, so we'll see. ozzy |
Thanks everyone for pointing out that my weight estimate is probably incorrect. So, I eliminated that info from the ad. Do you guys think the price is fair? |
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jmcgrogan2, Thanks, I guess I could send them to Bob to be re-terminated. Heck, I then might even keep them to use with my home theater system. ozzy
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jazzonthehudson, That’s a good question. I cant really say. I started with the interconnects, then speaker cables, power cables and then the digital. The interconnects didn’t seem to take much break in time, while the power cords did. My advise is to first try one at your current weakest link. knghifi, I tried the power cable Conditioner on my PS Audio P-10, but I actually preferred it on my BSG QOL an analog piece of equipment. The HC power cord is a heavier gauge than the rest so it should be used on high current equipment. (such as my Pass Labs amp) |
Thanks guys for the extra web sites on Graphene based products. It has really peaked my interest. I have tried in the past some Carbon based cables and they were just so-so. David, SR really does come up with some very cool products too bad there so expensive, but, maybe that's why they can produce them. I am currently using one of there newer products and tweaking the heck of it. jafant, Thank you for your comments. |
Come on now guys, please get back to the subject matter before the thread takes a bad turn. More importantly (LOL), why are my Cerious speaker cables not selling on the Gon? ozzy |
On almost all of these threads I have noticed that eventually someone starts getting off subject and starts to denigrate others. I really don’t understand why. We all have opinions, but if we can, please be respectful of others. ozzy |
roxy54, Yes, I'm still staying with the Curious cables. When I get my OTL tube mono blocks (Atmasphere) I've been told that longer interconnects and shorter speaker cables are better with these amps. ozzy
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lak, Thank you for your comments. With my Pass Labs Amp (solid state) the opposite seemed to be truer. But, with tubes all the info suggests shorter speaker length. ozzy |
Thank you guys for the advise on having my Bi-wire Cerious cables separated into (2) 4 meter pairs. I just sent them in for the surgery, changed my ad and I already have some interest! Now to buy longer Cerious (blue) power cord and longer interconnects for my future tube mono blocks. Along with also another amp stand, shorter speaker cables etc. It never ends, does it? ozzy |
Has anyone else tried these cables? |
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I kind of thought he was not prepared for a large influx of orders. He builds them himself one at a time. |
My experience was that the Cerious power cables sounded pretty good right away and during break in never sounded bad. But I think it does improve as most electrical items do over time. Mine now have many hours on them and to tell you the truth the change is gradual. But I DO think they sound better than originally. But honestly, how can I tell? Like most cables 200 hours seems to be a good point to evaluate. |
jond, That's great! I know what it is to have to send something back for service. Everything stops and it seems to take forever. I think its because we have become so dependent on the soothing effect that music brings. What type of digital did you get? I have a AES/XLR Graphene Extreme. |
philipwu, The Cerious Graphene interconnects and speaker cables were a big improvement over the HiDiamond 3. There is a much more open and livelier sound. I was surprised. The power cords is a little different. I still find that the HiDiamond P4 is best on my PS Audio P-10 power conditioner compared to the Cerious versions. But, at my amp and sources the Cerious Graphene power cords is best. |
jeony, Congrats! Next you need to try the speaker cables. |
geared4me, I think you will really like the speaker cables. |
bugredmachine, Yes, he can sometimes be difficult to contact. Try calling him again Monday he may have been out of town. |
bg1968, I agree! ptss, Didn't you just post about a graphene spray? Why is this so different? Man, lighten up! ozzy |
I have just compared the Cerious Technologies Graphene XLR interconnects to the new Reveal ( magnet) XLR interconnects. Although others have claimed the magnet interconnects to be superior to the Cerious. I’m here to tell you that I am not one. Once I removed and replaced the Cerious Graphene cables with the magnet cable the sound stage became dark, lacking separation and the frequency extremes. I did this comparison over some time after letting each version settle in for a few days. Now, this could be that I have a complete loom of all Cerious cables and substituting just one interconnect from another manufacturer is not fair. But I cannot afford the prices charged for the magnet cables to try and replace all of the Cerious Graphene cables. Again, this is in my system and with my ears, so your impression may be different. But this "audiophile" is sticking with the Cerious Technologies Graphene cables. ozzy |
gakman, I used the cable from the source (PS Audio Direct Stream Dac). mac48025, The CT-1 are single ended interconnects. aniwolfe, My other trials of the HFC cables were the single ended (RCA) version. I had the HFC Ultimate interconnects. Quite pricey! I thought that perhaps it was not a fair trial because all my equipment and cables are balanced and using XLR connections. The only cable that HFC makes that is balanced is the new Reveals. So, with the raves and I being a cable junky had to give them a try again. Sorry, no bashing just my opinion. Yours maybe different and that's ok. ozzy |
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anniwolfe, That must have been a very recent change. They never were available as XLR's because the connectors had magnets in them and that would make them too large. The new Reveal's do not have the magnets in the connectors. They chose to place the magnets midway on the cable. I would like to try the 30K Pro series, however, I would have to rob a bank! ozzy |
I will add that I do have 16 of the HFC MC-0.5's on my 3 dedicated circuits. ozzy |
jmcgrogan2, I do have the MC-0.5’s spread out over 3 dedicated outlets, it seemed that the more I added the better the sound. lak, It does seem that the cleaner the power the better. BTW, I also have 3 Bybee line filters one on each line. Two balanced power conditioners, one on the digital and another with my power amps (Core Power). All AC outlets are Furutech rhodium. And, I have 2 sets of ERS cloth over my breakers. Now, if I could only find a high end circuit breaker... ozzy |
David, I do have the SR black fuse in my QOL. I really love the QOL unit. I'm not sure why they aren't used more. I am also using the Graphene Extreme power cord, and the Graphene Extreme balanced interconnects on that unit. Lak, Yes, thanks for your very informative posting. The only place that I preferred the P4 better than the Cerious Graphene was on my PS-P-10 power conditioner. |
There should be a picture on the website. The speaker cables are more substantial. The return wire has additional copper for shielding. |
geared4me, That's great. I also thought the interconnects and the speaker cables sounded pretty good right away. The power cords take a little longer to come into their own but still are not as bad as others. By the way, I had Bob make me a 4 meter Bi-wire set of Graphene Extreme speaker cables. Now that you have yours, imagine what mine look like. I carefully cable tied them together and I think they look quite nice. Enjoy! |
jmcgrogan2, No issue with my Pass Labs Amp. I don't think they are that heavy. Each run is individual. That is for Bi-wire 4 separate runs to each speaker. |
jazzonthehudson, Wow! Your DIY interconnects are made from 16 Gauge wire? Is that a typo? My Graphene Extreme interconnects are the balanced XLR type and those connections look about what most cable companies use. If I understand your post correctly, you just have the one Graphene interconnect. I think if you keep adding the Graphene Extreme interconnects you will be even more impressed. Also, do try the speaker cables. The prices are not that high for the sound quality improvement. |
tbg, I assure you that Bob’s Graphene cables are WAY better than his previous versions. So are you saying you are going to try the Cerious Graphene cables? Or are you looking for free review samples? Heck, if you can afford the HFC Pro’s just the sales tax on them would outfit a complete loom of Bob’s Cerious Graphene cables. Don't try to smoke a free pair from a one man band trying to keep up with demand. ozzy |
Been quiet for a few days. Well I just ordered another digital cable to record Hi-REZ from my Mutec Reclocker to my Tascam. Just wondering if anyone else has received there cables and how they like them. |
