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Directionality of wire

I am a fan of Chris Sommovigo's Black Cat and Airwave interconnects. I hope he does not mind me quoting him or naming him on this subject, but Chris does not mark directionality of his IC's. I recently wrote him on the subject and he responded that absent shunting off to ground/dialectric designs, the idea of wire directionality is a complete myth. Same with resistors and fuses. My hunch is that 95% of IC "manufacturers", particularly the one man operations of under $500 IC's mark directionality because they think it lends the appearance of technical sophistication and legitimacy. But even among the "big boys", the myth gets thrown around like so much accepted common knowledge. Thoughts? Someone care to educate me on how a simple IC or PC or speaker cable or fuse without a special shunting scheme can possibly have directionality? It was this comment by Stephen Mejias (then of Audioquest and in the context of Herb Reichert's review of the AQ Niagra 1000) that prompts my question;

Thank you for the excellent question. AudioQuest provided an NRG-10 AC cable for the evaluation. Like all AudioQuest cables, our AC cables use solid conductors that are carefully controlled for low-noise directionality. We see this as a benefit for all applications -- one that becomes especially important when discussing our Niagara units. Because our AC cables use conductors that have been properly controlled for low-noise directionality, they complement the Niagara System’s patented Ground-Noise Dissipation Technology. Other AC cables would work, but may or may not allow the Niagara to reach its full potential. If you'd like more information on our use of directionality to minimize the harmful effects of high-frequency noise, please visit http://www.audioquest.com/directionality-its-all-about-noise/ or the Niagara 1000's owner's manual (available on our website).

Thanks again.

Stephen Mejias
AudioQuest


Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/content/gramophone-dreams-15-audioquest-niagara-1000-hifiman-he1000-v2-p...


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geoffkait
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Terry
I would point out that lots of people believe things without foundation. See especially the Nazi’s strategy of The Big Lie, and note how it has been broadly applied in the modern world.

But that’s different from someone who experiments and finds out something for himself. For those who have heard fuses and reversing fuses for themselves there is foundation for them to believe. The Big Lie analogy would actually be more properly applied to naysayers of fuses or wire directivity, who accept at face value when someone says, I’m a scientist and you can believe me when I say the laws of physics forbid it. Or, when someone says, I have seen no evidence of wire directionality at NASA, in digital electronic design labs or military weapon systems.

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nonoise
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@terry9 
I understand the need for more data to accurately arrive at a stat but my point was a knock against mass hysteria/delusion being the culprit.
Your second point was addressed by @geoffkait and I agree with his point that the nazi's Big Lie was a tactic of propaganda whereas what we're experiencing with wires and fuses are first hand observations.

I'm just going to rely on my own ears. They've served me well so far....

All the best,
Nonoise
stfoth
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Geoff--one of the other problems, here, is that, for a lot of these things, some folks do try them, including flipping cables, and don't find a difference.  they seem to often be immediately met with derision.

--you can't hear it, because you have ears of aluminum foil and candlewax.

--you can't hear it, because your gear and room are too crappy to pick up the details.

--you can't hear it, because you're doing it incorrectly.

--you can't hear it, because you're a skeptic and are biased.

--you can't hear it, because you obviously live on the edges of some quantum vortex that is affecting the tweak.

--oh, this stuff is real, every time, but it doesn't work for everyone.


Too funny, all this.  I guess I didn't quite realize this "debate" has been going on probably since my audio journey included a Scott integrated, some lit up equalizer, and, for my truck, a couple or more monster subwoofers and pissed off neighbors.


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geoffkait
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Never said it did work for everyone. That's the way the cookie crumbles. We've been over that already, ad nauseum. There are many reason why audiophiles sometimes don't get the results they were looking for. Because the thing under test is a hoax or a dud or any such thing is not one of those reasons, however. It's like just about anything, any cable, any tweak, in audio - you can always find someone who doesn't get good results. C'est la vie mon Cherie. You just keep your fingers crossed it's not the dude who is about to review your product for a major online audio publication. 😬

stfoth
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Geoff--Perhaps this has been adequately and succinctly discussed elsewhere, but, assuming all cables are inherently directional with sound differences from one way to the other, what might be some reasons someone, with a good trained ear with a highly resolving setup and with no skin in the game, wouldn’t be able to hear a difference?

--I'm not trying to bait you.  I may be a skeptic, but I'm genuinely interested.

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