Holographic imaging


Hi folks, is the so called holographic imaging with many tube amplifiers an artifact? With solid state one only hears "holographic imaging" if that is in the recording, but with many tube amps you can hear it all the time. So solid state fails in this department? Or are those tube amps not telling the truth?

Chris
dazzdax
>> 09-25-08: Atmasphere Tbg, sorry, but, **there is no doppler effect in an amplifier**! If a designer of a 'holographic processor' tells you something like that, turn around and run as hard as you can!

Atmasphere, with all due respect.

I know I have mentioned this until I'm blue in the face - but here it goes again for clarity.

A - There IS Doppler in amplifiers - just not to the best of your knowledge.

B - H-CAT is not a processer,generator,gimmick, or something that "alters" the original recording and therefore creates distortion. It on the other hand is the only method of amplifying that deals with the real problem of where distortion comes from. Doppler distortion is the SEED of harmonic distortion. Harmonic distortion is the result of Doppler distortion that has been allowed to get out of control. If you can detect and correct Doppler errors in real time - you cannot generate harmonics.

Regards,

Roger
If one says: "Wow, your amplifier sounds very holographic and 3D, far more holographic than my amplifier, which sounds a bit flat" --> then this mean that the holographic sounding amplifier sucks? Sometimes I'm confused about this issue. If "holographic" or "3D" sound is an artifact, then an amplifier should sound "flat", because that is closer to the truth (and the truth is far more "flat" than many audiophiles are accustomed to)?

Chris (member Flat Sound Society)
An amplifier should please the listener, whether flat sounding or holographic.

It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.
If these "doppler" errors are indeed there, and are "microscopic" how does one determine where they occur, read them at each occuring stage, and how is their (I'm assuming) delicate effect, effectively corrected and how is that delicate(?) correction calibrated at each stage?
In regard to the effect of moving the listening position in a typical listening room, I would guess that the issues of the sound changing due to the change in effect the room would have, and the issues of driver intergration might swamp the effect of such "doppler" issues.
"then an amplifier should sound "flat", because that is closer to the truth"

You lost me on this. Why do you think "flat" is closer to "the truth"?

What "truth" are you referring to?

Musicians perform and sound waves propagate in 3 dimensions last time I checked?

Not that "holographic" necessarily equates to truth either, but I can't see how "flat" could be closer to the real truth either.

Your not just yanking our chains for fun, are you?