Geoff, may be feeling beat up on and Ronery . |
"1166 sales. (2) neutral feedbacks. All the rest positive."
I've seen that. It is an interesting metric to consider! The only thing I could say with certainty about it is its surely a part of how MD stays in business. Also that it probably has a lot to do with what people think about their purchase and what people think does not always match the facts. I've bought a lot of useless crap over the years, especially when younger, and had no complaints except perhaps much later in hindsight. Just saying.... |
Tm,
Not just a bell, a QUANTUM TEMPLE BELL!!!!!!!!!!
Get with the program!
QUANTUM + TEMPLE gotta = TECHNO_SPIRITUAL HEAVEN!!!!
:^) |
MD makes me feel ronery. Why am I so F---- stupid? |
"Team America" is a hilarious movie! Much like our friend GEoff!
Two standout scenes I recall:
1) The "Ronery" SOng
2) The puppets getting it on
Of course its by the guy behind SOuth Park, so do not expect any holds barred or political correctness! My apologies to any who might find the stereotyping there offensive. If you can't handle Cartman from South Park, this movie is not for you. |
"When you use the word ronery am I correct in assuming it's jibber jabber for the word horny? And if so have you tried a long cold shower?"
You would be incorrect with that assumption.
Watch the movie. You'll get it.
I might try a long cold shower anyhow. |
The bell may be the only MD product that actually does something.
Most tweak vendors are based on science and engineering. MD is the high end audio world's leading vendor of what is best described as "science fiction" based tweaks. Take that for what its worth.... |
"Most tweak vendors are based on science and engineering. "
Well, I might be giving many tweak vendors the benefit of the doubt still with that accounting but I suppose its all relative.
Also I might clarify that the MD bell may be the only MD product that actually has anything concrete to do with sound, in that being a bell I would have to assume it does in fact make a sound, , but I could be overlooking something else. Its also a pretty cool looking trinket from the picture as I recall IMHO FWIW as these things go, with roots in eastern mysticism to boot supposedly as well. I'm sure GEoffkait will correct me as needed.... |
Elizabeth,
Obviously you have little faith in science fiction! :^) |
MD operates on the "Howard Stern" principle, ie any publicity, good or bad in nature, is still publicity. So ix-nay on the free publici-tay!! I think Geoff should pay to promote his wares like any normal business does and let the cards fall where they might. But these forums are open ones, so it is what it is. |
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GEoff will rightfully tout that his scifi products are very reasonably priced compared to many high end audio trinkets. He will also recommend you put one on everything, including your cat's tail, for better sound. |
I like the flying saucer pic on the MD website. I might have been tempted to buy when I was 10 years old maybe, if any spare change from the sea monkeys. |
Csontos, you're more likely to get more informative answers
from a magic 8 ball than Geoffkait. |
" It occurs to me to add to my last post that I actually don't claim all of my products involve advanced technology. "
A Slinky is a technological marvel compared to those crappy 2 cent springs. |
Maybe if other purveyors of high end audio products of questionable value fess up and give up their livelihood, Geoff will too? Why should he be the first? Just because his appear to be the most blatantly ridiculous and far fetched? I don't think so. As seemingly useless garbage goes, his may be one of the best values out there! |
" If I could live with myself, I would do the same thing.... I really don't see the need to bash him. "
Interesting.
I suppose it all boils down to what one can live with or not.
I try to resist the urge to "bash" in that I believe two wrongs do not make a right. Obviously, I am not always successful when it comes to MD/Geoff. Something there brings out my dark side I suppose. At least GEoff seems to have a sense of humor, so that helps.
I once compared his products and business (favorably) to cigarettes in that no physical harm results. At least there is none known. Although some unexpected things often do happen when science fiction is involved now, don't they? If that bothers you, just stick to the "low tech" stuff I suppose. Personally, invisible forces that affect sound makes me a little nervous..... |
"Again, people often ridicule what they don't understand
or
what goes against "conventional" wisdom"
No doubt.
The thing is there are a lot of highly educated and smart people including many engineers and other technically adept people on this site and in this hobby, so its not like you are dealing with uneducated people here that do not understand technology, for the most part. An open mind towards what might be possible goes along with that. So in all fairness, the "they don't understand" argument can only go so far here. One has to accept that some things fall into the realm that can only be designated as "nonsense". The burden lies on the purveyor of nonsense to make people understand why what they propose is not nonsense, not on others to accept nonsense as something other than what it is. The response to nonsense is often not a positive one. Nor should it be I would think.
A lot of (good) science fiction is able to get people to envision how things that would not seem possible or appear to be nonsense might in fact be possible. Bad science fiction tends to be less successful at achieving the suspension of disbelief or leap of faith needed. Bad science fiction might still be regarded as good fantasy though.
My opinion of MD is that it is bad science fiction, but maybe good fantasy. Its more in the "Lost IN Space" camp than "Star Trek". No monsters in rubber suits quite yet though! |
Integrity....there's an interesting concept! |
"What is "debunkery?" Essentially it is the attempt to *debunk* (invalidate) new information and insight by substituting scient*istic* propaganda for the scient*ific* method."
When Geoff publishes anything remotely indicating having applied the scientific method to reach a conclusion, then this might apply.
SO far all I see is "scient*istic* propaganda", the very thing this statement would seem to warn against.
No surprises here.
The author, Daniel Drasin, is an interesting guy from what I read, a Hollywood type with an interest in the realm that lies outside of current scientific discovery. That's a big realm that includes a lot! Luckily, we have Geoff and MD to help show us the way!
Where are those new frontiers for better sound? Is there more to be heard than our mere human ears have heard or even that each individual has perhaps taken notice of to date? I believe there is.
My standard response to "scient*istic* propaganda" though is:
Yawn.....
But I will keep my mind and ears open still so that I might recognize when something new of potential value pops up. I'm very open to advanced concepts...as long as they make sense. What makes sense or not is definitely an individualistic thing and science may often have very little to do with that.
I suppose that's why we have a brain I would think, to use it to help figure out what does and does not make sense. There is no science without the human brain, but the reverse is certainly possible.
Then there is credibility. One might be willing to take a leap of faith and buy into an advanced concept that makes little or no sense if the purveyor has credibility.
If.... |
"but I have a sneaking suspicion if the Real Scientists ever got wind of the Teleportation Tweak they would laugh so hard milk would squirt out of their noses"
You got a point there, judge! |
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Dr. Smith found some brilliant pebbles of sorts on lost in space once. I think t was called cosmonium. Turned out he was scammed. |
Maybe Coconut is Geoff's high-rent alter ego? One sale there = many MD sales. |
Look, the Cosmonium did make Dr. Smith's stone monument/statue he made of himself come to life! Then it wanted more to stay alive! Gotta love Irwin Allen!
Oh the pain, the pain!!!! |
