Dave b,were it not so much trouble and had I not had so much prior experience with cabling, I might try the Morrow cables, but frankly I have no reason to trust your judgment. I have never before had the dynamics, soundstage realism, and low noise that I have had with the Apex Tesla SR cabling versus cabling many times as expensive.
Your comments about "cult of the month club" have no merit. |
Karelfd, I suspect that you have dc on your ac line. |
The MPCs output dc not ac. |
Dave_b and Der, I'm afraid one cannot give in credibility to your snide remarks. If you cannot hear the benefits, I'm sorry!
Bacardi, perhaps Ted will answer your question. I have only used them on the PowerCell, speaker wires, and interconnects. |
Tonight I added a fourth Galileo MPC to my system. The first three were: 1) on the PowerCell; 2) on the dac to preamp Apex ics; and 3) on the Apex speaker wires. The fourth went on the Precision Reference ics between the preamp and amp. I merely removed the old MPC and installed the Galileo MPC.
Immediately, I heard a soundstage that was better defined, deeper, and strangely the sound was louder. Nothing else changed! I would like to hear a $15 wallwart do this!
I meant nothing snide about Der's hearing only that if he could not hear the impact on his system, I thought that was unfortunate. |
To find an available outlet, I used an old MPC to drive one SR power cord and also my SR D3 digital cord. You don't want to do that! Now it drives two SR power cords and the D3 has its own charger.
This impact of cable chargers just amazes me. |
Dlcockrum, yours is my experience also. I do wish, however, that the Enigma II would come out allowing all SR cables to be charged from one location and one with a substantial power supply. |
I have none, Bacardi. I think, Ted Denney might, however. All I can say is to try in different locations. |
Suteetat, bear in mind that the Galileos have two leads. This means that each one can charge two power cords. Just don't use one on both a power cord and an interconnect. I managed to do this on the D3 digital cord and a power cord. It is a no no.
At SR's recommendation, I use the Precision Reference rather than Apex between my line stage and amp. I did try Apex there, and they were right. It is quicker but lacks the depth of soundstage of the Apex. |
Suteetat, in my opinion, yes, use an Apex. |
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I have several Galileo MPCs. They may require some rethinking of your system. A simple change of cable chargers should not have this much impact.
I have the ART but will not bother with the Basiks. |
Adwiegert, you will get more resolution for sure. I am still getting improvements, such as better isolating my line stage from vibrations, that I was made aware of only with the Galileos. I also noticed that mono recordings had better sound stage when they were slightly less toed in than before Galileos.
Putting one on your PowerCell was a must, as Ted told me. I only have three so you are on your own as to the benefits of doing every SR cable. |
My response, Solda, is that I have not heard the Basiks. I think that your cabling might be the first thing to consider as the Galileos need cables to charge and the basic MPCs do a good job with the Tesla cables. |
Does Synergistic have an exchange policy?
I never really paid much attention to this company until I heard the ARTs demonstration at the RMAF. |
You know that all that differs on it is being zapped with a million volts. I have one coming along with a Power Cell and pcs. |
Bacardi, I am going to install my Tesla duplex after I get accustomed to the Power Cell and the T2s. I just got everything yesterday, so it may be a while. |
Bacardi, see my comments on the Teslaplex at
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?htech&1228107456&openmine&zzTbg&4&5#Tbg |
Sherod, I, of course, have no experience with the PorterPort. My comparison is nowhere near that done by Dlcockrum on the thread above. He has the advantage of quick a/b comparison. Actually, Dave came here some time ago agog with the Tesla outlet. I was already greatly impressed with the SR ARTs. I approached SR about it and the PowerCell.
I put the PowerCell in first and compared it with my IsoClean outlet driving my Acoustic Revive RTP-6. It was no contest. The sound stage was wider and more precise with lower background noise as well as rising vertically? I have never understood this impression, I must say. The bass was well defined and directional, and the top end was sparkling.
Yesterday I replaced an Eagle outlet on my other dedicated line with the Tesla. After five hours it was obviously also contributing to further improvement with the PowerCell. Best Audiophile Voices was "real" last night, but Sinatra & Basie at the Sands ranged from poor at the beginning to pretty good at the end. The SR combo really exposes the quality of the recording.
I suspect that the majority of the improvement is from the PowerCell, but the little outlet is worth it. I am no longer using the IsoClean, the Sound Applications/Jena Labs, or the R1.
I should also note that I expect great improvements today. |
Well, Ted, as much as I like your stuff, I have to disagree about plastic and wood. I have found that only ceramics and even there some more than others, have the neutrality that I value.
I bought some surplus 18KV isolators because they were tall and did not move. Unfortunately, I had to put a small better sounding ceramic isolator on top each. Those that I found best were from Rightway Audio and called Suspenders. Unfortunately, I think they are now out of business.
Norm |
I have independently talked with Ted and now know that he really means that he does not like ceramic insulators, such as I am using as they resonate. Wood may work best on his cords
Long ago I did extensive tests of maple, walnut, pine, glass, special foam such as used in shipping memory chips, ceramic coffee cups, cardboard, chop sticks, and support on strings. This was with no Synergistic Research cords or cables. I greatly preferred the ceramics. I will be trying the SRs soon with some of the above, but I am from Missouri, so I have to be shown. |
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Rydenfan, I think you are going to be very happy. |
Bacardi, do you have three wires at your outlets or two? If you have three, I believe all of your outlets already have 20 amp outlets regardless of what size fuse there is on the circuit. If you have any real doubt, get an electrician to come out. |
Bacardi, unplug the wallwart from the PowerCell if you want to quickly heard what the field inside is doing. The blue LED will go out. I never thought of this until talking with SR today. |
Ozzy, I have both and just checked. They look to be the same except for the connector. The 32a connector is very nice.
Rydenfan, I also used the plastic wall plate. Maybe at some point I will try some thing else. |
Joeyboynj, I tried a SR Precision on my amp versus the Hologram A, it lost. But wow did it work great on the line stage. I just love the way everything is trial and error. You need to get a Hologram D for your digital. |
Ozzy, my thoughts entirely follow what you have said here, save that I had no experience with the PowerCell 10 Standard. My 10SE was good out of the box but much better the second day. Each of the SR power cords also showed a one or two day break in.
I too have unused dedicated circuits.
The 32 amp connector turns to snap into locked position. The lock will be at the top of the plug when locked.
I posted this on your review also. |
Shellie, I bought the ARTs at the RMAF on hearing their demonstration. I find your question curious and don't exactly know what you mean by "still retaining benefits." However I do have experience in installing them in my room. As I added each component and then further adjusted them to the proper height, to a position closer to my listening position than the first reflection point, and to slightly further toward the front wall on the floor behind my equipment centered between my speakers, I heard great improvements. It probably takes several hours do get this all right. |
Joeyboynj, I initially put the PowerCell on a Mana Stand but have never tried it off the stand or on any other stand. Maybe I should try this. |
I considered what I might put under my SR PowerCell tonight. Because of the stiffness of the Hologram A and Ds as well as the Precision power cord to the wall, I ruled out any cones. It would just be too unstable. I do have an unused Acapella Silencio base which does provide excellent isolation. Frankly the task of unplugging everything, removing the PowerCell, placing the Acapella on the Mana stand, and reinstalling everything, is just too daunting for the little gain I think I would get. I do have some solid carbon feet that I could just pick up a corner and install all around. I might try that. I also have regular and pro Aerios, but the Mana top would have to be perfectly level. I also have one of Walker's platforms for the Walker Velocitor but it is small. It really works, however. |
If this is a question of me, the charging in is at the source. The arrow should go toward the subwoofer amp. |
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I have through trial and error and with Ted's advice found the right combination. The line and phono stages like the TESLA T2s, the amp the Hologram A, and the Precision AC struck out everywhere except driving the 10SE PowerCell. |
Bacardi, I have learned that all Synergistic Research ics are the same except at the terminations. I doubt if there would be any difference between single ended and balanced. |
Bacardi, the Precision ic is recommended for between line stage and amp. It is very fast.
I compared the Tesla T2, Precision AC, and Hologram A on my H-Cat amp. The Precision was third, the T2 next, and the Hologram A clearly best. The Precision is mainly for tube amps, I am told.
Flashunlock, is your amp a tube amp?
On my H-Cat line stage, the T2 was best. All of these cables have certain characteristics which SR is pretty predictive of.
Guys, these power cords get better and better for months. |
Bacardi, I assume you have no PowerCell. If so, plug directly into the wall. You will have fewer contacts.
Flashunlock, I used the Sanders Sound Magtech amp into the PowerCell. This amp has 500 watts per side and sounded excellent into the PowerCell, which is not current limiting. |
Sherod, you are not overlooking the Teslaplex; it is not on their site. It strikes me that it is a normal Leviton hospital grade outlet, but the zapping does wonders. I also have normal Home Depot cheaters that have been zapped. If you compare them with the unzapped version, you would not doubt the improvement you get with Quantum Tunneling. I have had many cryoed components. Using the Vandergraff has far greater benefit. |
They did treat some cheaters for me and apparently are considering having them available. But you know that I have the H-Cat P12R which almost necessitates having only the line stage grounded. I don't know, nor do they, how many need such outstanding cheaters. |
Sherod, go to SR page and look under Tesla and at bottom Tunneling footage. |
I don't care where Ted gets his ideas. What matters is that it works. |
Bacardi, trust me you would regret not having 10 plug-ins. Buy the 10SE. |
I love the Apex speaker cables but have not tried the Precision Reference. |
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Autentic, I just flat out dislike the Precision AC cord on anything, but SR thought I might like it on my amp. The Halogram A was great on my amp and the Halogram D was better on my music server and the sacd player. The T2 is the surprising pc for me. It is clearly best on my line and phono stages and, I think, on my dac.
Joeyboynj, I have not tried the Precision speaker wires, but you are right on about the bass on the Apex speaker cables. I was told the same things about the Precision AC, but that some ss amps. Not mine. |
Jylee, I think you have to say something about which grade of each you are thinking about.
Bacardi, you sound like Ted describing the mix of cables that goes into each. |
Yes, but it is not just a power cord. It will be at the RMAF. I don't know much about it, however. It will be very expensive. |
Yes, it is based on PowerCell technologies, whatever that means. I look forward to hearing it at the RMAF. Five digits!!! |
Adhaney, I heard about it from SR, but no real details other than that I better come by at the RMAF and hear it. |
Yes, I have a D3 and two Hologram Ds. Frankly I am amaze at the improvement they give. The D3 far surpasses my Stealth Sextet, which was the best I had tried. The Hologram D on my music server caused me such disbelief that I went to the trouble to put back the other power cord and to try yet others in this application, but the Hologram D blew them away. |
Bacardi, I agree with Adwiegert, try both ways. I never did, however, until this summer. But even there I could not switch back and forth as I left my PowerCell in Texas. |
Joeyboynj, SR does provide a Precision AC on the PowerCell. They also recommend it for large tube amps and some ss amps. On the two ss amps where I tried it, the Hologram A was quite superior.YMMV. |
Splaskin, if your going to the RMAF, you can hear them. You will be shocked by the price, I must say. |
Bacardi, this is what their webpage says, "We have always been aware of just how important phase coherency is in signal transfer. Now through our research we have discovered that lower frequencies are extremely sensitive to very small changes in phase coherency. For example: A 20 hertz low frequency wave requires at least 40 feet to propagate. If the phase is out, by just a little, it provides an unstable platform for the frequencies that are directly above that. Higher frequencies have shorter wave lengths and these are adversely affected by phase shift anomalies at the lower frequency range." |
