Soon it will be there...............and then you can judge :)
Wilson Audio Haters
I've always wondered why there are so many people out there, that more than any other speaker manufacturer, really hate the Wilson line. I own Maxx 2's and also a pair of Watt Puppys. They are IMHO quite wonderful.
Why does Wilson get so much thrashing?
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It has nothing to do with a personal taste. People in audio think and believe the best way of creating an audio system is based on personal preference. Until januari 2016 I believed this as well. But a client convinced me that personal taste does not make sense. It took many conversations before I understood and I agreed with him. I thought for a long time the same way. But research (People have no idea how addicted I am in music and sound. Almost each day I create new things in my head to improve it. This is also like an addiction. So I test new things) We all agree that emotion is what we want to experience during listening to our beloved music. People who use tubes think and believe that with tubes they create a more musical and emotional sound. I have proven to people who own highend tube amps and pre amps that my sound had more layers and a higher level of emotion. A tube colours the sound in the whole freq. range. The emotion is inside the music and not in an audio system. So you need to understand how you can reveal all the information of a recording. A tube will not give you more information. It will create a pleasant sound. But diversity is sound is a different thing. This is the key to experience realism and emotion during listening to music. At this moment of writing diversity in sound is the biggest problem and limitation in audio in general. Almost all streamers/networkplayers are not able to create diversity in sound. This is the main reason why cd-players are stil being sold. In amps we see and hear the same kind of limitations. People who create new products are often not able to understand how instruments and voices sounds in real. And how they are projected and how big they are in proportion. It took me many years to be able to hear the DNA of each single part of an audio system. In 1998 I thought that if I want to understand sound I need to separate all the properties it owns. This is what I inproved during time. Doing thousands of test is easy when you are addicted to it. It has become my second nature. It does not cost a lot of energy. In 2016 I have done a lot of reseach on parts what influences audio systems negative. - the acoustics, we want to share Statement Audio Pro-measurement with manufacturers this year. This way many people can go to a much higher level in sound than what is possible at this moment. - smog, people have no idea how huge and negative this is on a system. I can limit this for a big part. - magnetism also has a huge negative influence on the sound. It occurs in cables, amps, sources, speakers and even in conditioners. I can limit this also for a big part. - High frequent noise, also had a big negative influence on the sound. Again with different tools I can limit this as well. - In 2015 and 2016 we did a lot of research in electricity. Here we also made big steps. I will never share this for free. I spend a lot of time and it gave me a huge leap against all my competitors. Do your own research and I wish you goodluck. We also use different lasers and digital level devices. I learned to use them at different ways. I will never share this. With vision we work the same way. Here we also can outperform any company in sound&vision. What I said before I love competition. I always want to win and create a superior quality compared to the best there is. Only the best is what counts, 2nd best is for losers. I understand that it sounds hard to others. I do everything for my clienst to give them the best quality possible. It always needs to be superior to all competitors. |
An AMT tweeter is not a ribbontweeter. It is a totally different technique. Again 3-dimensional sound has nothing to do with a ribbontweeter. We also have clients who use speakers with a dome-tweeter who also own a 3-dimensional stage now. It is based on properties and working very accurate. 3-dimensional sound is not new, there are different brands and products who can build a 3 dimensional stage as well. It is a 100% fact that people prefer a 3 dimensional stage. The same as that people prefer a sound with more diversity. This has nothing to do with personal taste. But like I said again: it is based on our emotion. Some people have difficulties to read, so I will repeat it for those. 3-dimensional sound is only 1 part of Tru-Fi. All the different 8 parts are important and influences our emotion. It was a 100% fact that the AMT tweeter outperformed the tweeter of the Wilson Sasha. Again it has nothing to do with personal taste. The AMT tweeter vs the outdated dome tweeter of the Sasha showed: - The AMT could reveal more details - could reveal diversity in height of instruments and voices. With the Wilson they showd the same level in height. - with different recordings the Sasha showed harshness ( ssssss sound) in the high freq. The Pl-200 II showed with all these recordings no any kind of harshness. - The low frequencies were so much faster and showed more layers compared to the Sasha. - The Pl-200 II could create a wider and deeper stage. - The sound of the Pl-200 II was more natural and more open - The individual focus of instruments and voices was so much sharper with the Pl-200 II. - The Pl200 II showed much more diversity in sound. We want more shootouts of audio, and no more bullshit paid stories. Audio is all about facts and shootout. All our clients with more expensive audio have a Statement Audio Pro measurement. The difficulties most of you suffer, are gone for us already for many years. The resolution in audio shops and at shows is inferior compared to our resolution. Advantages AMT against a dome-tweeter are: bigger power handling, significantly less distortion, bigger stage, more natural sound, better dynamics, a better timing and a more flat impedance. Again we can proof this by sound!! |
At this moment people are working on our new website. Most things we do we will never show. The products have a much lower value than how they are used. At the end it is all about detail and how you use it. You cannot see the Statement Audio Pro-measurment, adapting electricity, magnetism, high frequency noise, smog, modifications and many tweeks we use inside the amps, sources, cables and many other places. When you create and sell a sound, it is a totally different approach than the silly extreme ineffective way of trial and error. Even when you would buy the same stuff I own, I does not make sense and it will never work. I had a lot of contact with Desmond Harrington(president) of Pass Labs. I was talking also about our Statement Audio Pro measurement. In 2015 he send me an email that he was thinking about buying a 5509 as well. I had to laugh and I wrote, without my brains and insight the 5509 is fully useless. He cannot think and work in patterns/properties like I do. This is needed to understand it. All people in audio focus on products and brands. Sound does not work like that, this way it always will be very ineffective. You never can reach the full potential of each part in your set. This is why money will never solve this problem. Most sets are incomplete and beside this they miss properties you need for a higher level in emotion and realism. At the end it is all about what you can hear. We have proven many times that our way of Tru-Fi with each single Monitor Audio loudspeaker sounds superior to the same speaker at any other shop. This is based on the fact they we can use the full potential or all properties the speakers own. All shops connect some stuff based on trial and error, they are only able to reach between 10-30% of the quality. And again we have proven this many times. Audio is all about sound and what you can hear. This will be always less important than the technique they use. Technique does not garantee you a better quality. In magazines and on websites you often read the information about the technique. And only a few lines about how it sounds. This shows again how limited these people are. Of course the technique Monitor Audio uses is the reason why it creates the level what is possible. But it still does not garantee you anything. This counts for other brands as well. |
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beryllium tweeter of the Focal speakers also showed harshness at many different shows and demos we auditoned. The AMT tweeter laughs about these limitations :) With the Sonus Faber Lilium we had the same experience. When we played Diana Krall we all could hear ssssss all the time. The people who gave the demo said; this is based on the fact that she is very close to the mic and it is based on the recording. Lol, these recordings never showed any kind of harshness and sss sounds to all systems we sold. I will do my best to create a shootout with these speakers against the Platinum series. This is how audio should ne used. We like things to be clear and honest :) |
@shadorne I did take a look at your systems. Mann this is the work of an amature. Most of the brands and products you use are by far not the best in their price range. We are talking about 2-dimensional standard audio. If I would sell it to clients, it would be time to quite directly. First you need to listen to it before you judge. The products you bought many of them are even rather poor. We test and listen to as many products possible to find the best of it’s class. The one who creates the best sound&vision in each price range understands it the best way. This is how sound&vision needs to be exposed. This is how we work. And all people can compare it with all other products. May the best win....... |
We created Statement Audio Pro-measurement. It brings stereo and surround to a new superior level. This is again not based on personal taste, but again on facts. If you would have read better you would have known that we have not the acoustic limitations most people have. That is why I said: ( I will repeat it again for those who forget) when we visit new clients, shows, distributers and other shops we always go back in time. In their world the acoustics limits them a lot. I have done a lot of research in over 6 years of time in the acoustics. That is why we will share Statement Audio Pro-measurement with the world this year so many will get a superior sound quality they never experienced. It is not possible to reach this level with old fashion audio without S.A.P. It outperforms pre amps in all 8 parts of Tru-Fi. It looks like it is not possible for people to understand what it means when you do research all the time in sound&vision. Because you never read and saw people who work like this. |
I met many people who invested a lot of money on acoustical treatment. This is inferior to the results of S.A.P. It is even a big laugh how big the difference is in result. Our clients react the same way when they visit other shops and shows. They are all already in the new world of audio This world we will share soon. Then you all may give your personal opinion :) |
Audiogon is a lot of fun for me. I need to laugh all the time when I read the reactions. Lol:) When I take a look at most systems overhere at Audiogon it proves that systems are chosen by trial and error. We will demo and proof that with Tru-Fi you always will create a superior level. We have proven this to many people already. The difference is we will share it now with every one. We want as many people possible to bring them to a new level in experience their music. Tru-Fi brings audio much more close to how music sounds in real. And it proofs that the level of emotion and exitement is superior. It will be here soon.......:) |
In 3 years of time we auditioned only one system who showed all the parts of Tru-Fi. It had the same kind of structure we use but without Statement Audio Pro-measurement. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155603840790083&set=a.10155603801710083.1073741890.588... Tru-Fi is a totally different way of creating an audio system. Like Statement Audio Pro-measurement is a new approach to disclude the acoustic limitations. Beside the acoustic limitations, creates S.A.P. much more details which are gone with any other highend pre amp. In a comparison with an Audio Research Ref -5SE the differences could not be bigger. We used the same Pass Labs Poweramp, AQ Redwood, 2 pairs of AQ Wel Signature xlr and Purist Audio Limited Edition luminist powercables. The 5509 with S.A.P. had a much deeper and weider stage. The Ref 5Se created 0.5m of stage depth. The 5509 eith SAP can create 5-6metrres of stage depth with the same recording. The 5509 could reveal details like the articulation of vloices which were fully gone with The AudioReseach. Even in layers and emotion the 5509 outperformed the 5SE with ease. The low freq went a lot deeper and had more layers compared to the 5SE. The individual focus of instruments and voiced was so much shaper and precise than the 5SE. Soon a person with an Absolore pre amp of 30.000 dollar will come to my house. I will ask him if he is prepared for a shootout. We have proven to many tube owners that our sound shows much more layers and creates more emotion thanb their tube pre amp and poweramp. We want to use more shootouts in audio. We will make profesional videos of it. Audio is all about facts and the truth :) |
@plutos ........hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha lol :) You life in the past and we live in the future. When you audition S.A.P. you will understand that it does not makes sense anymore where they stand. Many people with highend sets were amazed that we could create a level they never experienced before. The were the most impressed that even the loudspeaker is on the side and the other is a little more free does not make a difference. S.A.P. adapts the speakers. It knows were it stsands in the room. With a professional microphone the volume of the left and right speaker is exactley the same. Even when the stand differently placed. Another stunning thing is Stealth low freq. This creates a new reference in low freq. Many people called it the best low freq. they ever auditioned. Because it puts the subwoofer in phase with the loudspeakers. Beside this the system knows exactley were it stand in the room. The energy is exactley were it is on the recording. Never before you hear the energy of instruments fully free in space just like in real. This is not possible with old fashion audio without S.A.P. |
Plutos the Pass labs X150 is one of the weakest amps Pass Labs ever created. The 150.5 had the same kind of limitations. I know them all. Your Marantz Sa-1 is a 2 dimensional source. This means that the stage it build is not able to create over 1 metre of stage depth. It even creates less than 1 metre of stage depth. We tested it and we could proof to the client who owned it that it limited his 3D stage. He sold it and bought an Olive 06HD. His stage became a lot deeper and wider. Again this proves that most people buy 2 dimensional products. |
@shadorne read the review which I put here before. The truth is difficult for some people to handle. They can use words to attack me. Then I will attack you based on facts. Be a man and just focus on the remarks. http://www.stereophile.com/content/monitor-audio-platinum-pl300-ii-loudspeaker#derjpXyzYVKDQjSS.97 The AMT is superior to the dome tweeter of the Wilson! |
@shadorne In a A-B shootout the Pl-200 II outperformed the Sasha. This is how audio is being exposed. When people read the things they do not want to hear or read they directly go on an attack. That is fine with me. Audio is being fought out by sound. The best one always wins. I do this since I was 6. I had the freedom to test hundreds of amps, sources, cables and many tools in audio for almost 19 years of time. I sold many brands you own so we know exactley the DNA and quality of them. The level in accuracy how we work is new in this world. It proves a new and superior level. We will proof it by sound, than you can respond :) |
The difference where we are compared to the rest is galaxies away. 2017 will be the year we will share it, soon you will hear from it as I told before. You have no idea that Tru-Fi will be a benefit for you all overhere. After that you will understand the words I wrote. Now we see that people react based on the knowledge and insight they own. For us this is the past, like you go back 20 years in time. This is how we experience each single sustem over and over again. The people who create it still work on trial and error. We will proof on facts soon that this is extreemly ineffective. That it has nothing to do with personal taste. Now I write this, you still don’t understand. But I promiss soon you will understand and than it will change your mind and thought about audio. The audio industry slept for a long time, at that time I looked so much wider than any person ever did before. When I say; I have done thousands of tests, this is not a silly line what I write. No, it is the truth. For people overhere this is difficult to understand. When I say: this is a part of who I am as a person, it means that it has become my second nature. This makes me able to see 3-4 steps further in sound than any other person can. And I can proof this by sound. And I can do it over and over again. People still think audio is all about personal preference. We can proof by facts that their system is still incomplete and misses parts what influences our emotion. So when we create new parts of Tru-Fi ir sytem the level of emotion will become higher. Each single person will prefer this over the sound that had. Tru-Fi has nothing to do with personal taste. That would be even silly or stuppid. Each single person will prefer this, because it is based on the human emotion. People have no idea what the level of perfectionism I created. Because it improves faster than any one can imagine. I wanted audio to sound like voices and instruments sounds in real. This is not only the sound, but also how voices and instruments they are projected and being formed as a shape. It is based on patters in sound and in vision. I learned to take part all the different parts of a single tool in an audio system. This was needed to understand how it is build. I needed to understand the dna. Tru-Fi will help you to use the full potential of a loudspeaker. Now we see that most systems only use a small part of the full potential of a loudspeaker. And again we can proof this by facts. For me it is simple like 1 and 1 is 2. When you have no idea what the properties are of the speaker you bought, you will never be able to use them. It is that simple. This is what we show to our clienst. To make them aware of what is missing and also what is there. When i said; they have to pay for it, I meant I will not give it away for free. Because I will use the money for our foundation. This is my goal in life. To give peope who have nothing a better life. I created Tru-Fi to give as many people possible a much higher in sound realism. I love music since I was a child, and now I want more people to experience how music sounds in real. Fully free tangible in front of you with all the diversity the music owns. So you can really experience the emotion of the music. We all see that the world becomes harder each year. And people are more divided than ever. Life is not about what you take, but all about what you give. That is why a foundation is my goal in life. I had it in my mind for many years, but I didn’t know how to create it. But now I reached a level in insight that I understand how to create it. It is the same thing as I created Tru-Fi. It is all about becoming aware of why it is as it is. I will use the money we make for different projects for people who have no option to create a better life than they have now. Because they will never have an option to make it better. I do not do this to show how great I am, I want to show that how simple it is to help others who have nothing. It is not about me. I did not create Tru-Fi for myself, but I did it so people can experience a new level in sound realism. Music is all about emotion, this is what Tru-Fi gives to people. The emotion music possesses is what will touch you. Music makes people become more humane. It will bring the emotion inside you to come alive. I am sorry that my words offended others and I want to apologize to those who felt offended. It was never my intention, I wish a better sound for each single person. Like I wish a better quality for each single manufacturer who make audio products. That is why I want audio to become more transparent and honest for customers who buy it. I promiss soon you will understand what Tru-Fi will do with your system and the level you can reach in audio. See you all soon. |
People need to learn not to focus on products and brands. Only when you focus on sound you will reach a superior level in quality. When you use audio by Tru-Fi even each Monitor Audio loudspeaker will sound totally different than the way the rest creates an audio system. That is why the focus of how you think about Monitor Audio does not make sense. Because you see it as a product or brand. Like you auditioned it by trial and error. The limitation is that all of you only will hear a small part of the whole quality it could create. Like I said before; it will be a demo what is still incomplete. This counts the same for other products. Tru-Fi will give access to all the properties a product owns. This makes a huge difference to all the trial and error ways of creating an audio system. For us Monitor Audio is only a small part of Tru-Fi. Tru-Fi is in charge how an audio set is being created. All products are only used based on the properties they own. Only the properties matter and this is what we use. That is why audio is all about sound and not about a brand or product. Products are of minor importancy in our world. This sounds crazy and difficult to understand for you. And we understand this. Tru-Fi is a different approach, but based on the human emotion so much more effective. Now it is time to reveal what Tru-Fi is and how it works. |
And still people judge on products............this is audio 1980. AUDIO IS ALL ABOUT SOUND. The 5509 is only used for the DNA and the measurement. We stripped it and it is modified with other parts of over 3000 euro. It is about creating a new level of pre amp what outperfroms anything regarding price. You all still think at the level of a child. Sound is based on properties and we create sound by properties. This brings you so much closer to the truth than any stuppid 1980 way of trail and error. I am galaxies away from the rest. I owned 5 different Pass Labs monos and poweramps. And I owned the XP-20 for over 2 years of time. The 5509 without modifications and S.A.P.-measurement outperformed the XP-20 on all parts with each single Pass labs power amp. But now in 2017 we are galaxies away from that. Because we created many new things to improve the sound and realism. As we improved S.A.P-measurement. I can improve sound a few times each month. The level of new thoughts in my head is of a speed no one can reach. It will make any pre amp like a cheap inferior chinese dicky toy. And people still focus on brands and are extremely limited in thinking about audio. Your insight creates what I call; AUDIOBLINDNESS. Tru-Fi will proof how blind you were and that your inferior way of using trial and error is one big laugh! We will help all the music lovers who are able to look further, for those who will stay blind (or deaf) I would say; enjoy your audio system created by your own trail and error! |
Stealth Low Frecquency will become the new reference in low frequency. I hated subwoofers for stereo use untill 2010. When I was able to put the loudspeakers and subwoofer in phase and were it is located my thoughts about subwoofers totally changed. In 2005 I had ideas how subwoofers would be working for stereo use. But I thought it would never be possible. Stealth Low Frequency goes even a lot further. It brings the energy exactly where it is at the recording. Stealth Low Frequency showed that you can use subwoofer a lot further. But people think in 1980 and will stop at 50,60,70 or maybe 80hz. Stealth Low Frequency also showed that Rel and Velodyne subwoofers are a lot slower than the Monitor Audio subwoofers. The response and timing is the essential part of subwoofers. With Stealth Low Frequency I can proof (it is all about proof :) that it is possible to create a higher level in quality and speed with Monitor Audio subwoofers. Again this is based on the differences in properties and DNA. They make the differences, not a name or brand. Tru-Fi gives you full access to all the qualities of the subwoofer. The 1980 silly trial and error way of thinking will always use a very limited part of the full potential. And you cannot change that. You are not able to think in properties. You always need to go back to think in trial and error. This will limit you in quality until you die. |
Stealth Low Frequency proves stereo without a subwoofer is of a lower quality. These days I seldom sell stereo without a subwoofer. Because when people audition it with or without the subwoofer, you would be a fool not to use it. Tru-Fi and Stealth Low Frequency makes subwoofers so much more effective and important. It is insane what the level is of a subwoofer created by trial and error. When we visit a show or shop the people who demo it are often negative themselves. I have to admit that without Stealth Low Frequency I would never want to use a subwoofer for stereo use either. In that way I understand the 1980 way of thinking! |
People don't understand what a subwoofer does, when you read the reactions overhere it is stil clear that people have no idea. Stealth Low frequency will always create a superior sound quality than any stereo system without it. Stealth Low Frequency showed; - stage became wider and deeper - instruments and voices becomes more tanbible. - at very low volums you have a much deeper freq response. - In the mid freq the sound becomes richer and shows more diversity - the energy of instruments come more apparent of the loudspeakers. When you play with a system with big speakers which can reach 20hz. You still need to play at high level to get this low. All the test with huge speakersystems showed that at very low volume level you missed the drive. Stealth Low Frequency also goes deep with even very low volume. - new people who auditoned Stealth Low Frequency for the first time, often use the word Reference level. It goes so much further than what is possible with just loudspeakers. I have many stereo clients who never used a subwoofer for stereo use before. Just like me. When a subwoofer by S.A.P. and Stealth Low freqency is uses it creates a new level in integration but also in a higher level of the low frequency of the whole system. The accuracy of Stealth Low Frequency makes it easy to use subwoofers till 120-140hz. This is also something people don't know. When you connect a subwoofer without S.A.P. you go to an inferior level of timing. This is the level you all know. You all judge based on this information. Again this is audio 1980 thinking. The Pl-500 creates a stunning level in low frequency without a subwoofer. But when you bring in the subwoofer by S.A.P. the people their faces says it all. The level in sound quality goes to an even higher level. They all understood after the demo how important the subwoofer becomes based on Stealth Low Freq. This only can be reached when you get the subwoofer in phase. And also the exact location were it has been put. Without roomcorrection a subwoofer is useless. The roomcorrection systems use in subwoofer are able to limit the acoustic problems. But there is a huge but....... It don't places it in phase and the right position. This is the level you all know. This level is in my world 100% unacceptable in result. I understand the reactions. But they are based on the fact that you still think in 1980 knowledge and insight. |
The Pl-500 is created this way because they wanted to build a loudspeaker what used the best configuration. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24vv7fsA3NY When you audition them you will understand why they used it. The load of the low frequency are separated over 4 drivers. I never audioned this level in authority in this price range. The mid frequency are also separated over 2 drivers. Again it creates a new level of physical image we never auditioned in this price before. Ofcourse there are better speakers, but they will cost a lot more. We always focus on what is the highest level you can create in each price range. For all the trail and error people overhere I will proof that what I wrote is 100% True. I am looking forward to all the reactions.......:) |
My clients understand now how extreme limited most people are in audio. All the reactions are all the same. They all laugh about 2D sound and calll it inferior or standard audio. They are able now to correct the people in audio shops. Their systems outperform all the inferior trial and error systems in shops. These days we laugh about it, it is insane that people ask 275.000 euro for a hifi stereo system with a stage of 1 metre. They even called it highend. When we asked a few simple questions they were not able to answer it. Most systems have no foundation. That is why over 99% of all systems are 2D. Beside this the level of emotion is very poor as well. Each single person will never be satisfied with a 2D system after time. All the discussions I had with people who owned and paid a lot of money on audio were the same. They were honest and had the gutts to speak free and said: I was never really happy with the systems I own. There are also people who will defend their system and choices till they die. These are the people who limit themselves. Inside they know they are not happy. We cannot help people who don’t want to be informed. The people who reacted the most overhere in the last week, have budget systems they think it is stuning. Okay you are amatures, but you write overhere if you know it all. I bet you have not done thousands of test in many price ranges just as me. Trial and error is an amature way of creating an audio system. I understand thay you work like this, but it always will be extremely ineffective. For those I will proof it with all my love :) I will send the proof especially for these people. I can proof and garantee (wanna bet on money?......please do:) that their choices are done by trial and error. Beside this they own many products which have superior competitors in their price range. |
@ct0517 ; hahahahahahahha, mannnnn you have a nice 2D system. I auditoned many of the products you own. I can garantee you 100% and I invite you to make a shootout with your products against superior products in their price range. They products you chose are by far not the best in their price range. Maybe you are an amature, I can garantee you could have created a superior level for the money you spend. B&W 800 is also a 2D loudspeaker. No one can change that, and you can't either :) |
The problem in audio is that most products in each price range are rather poor. They will never make any person happy. Soon we will discuss Tru-Fi with manufacturers. Because audio is a market what decreases. We want to reach more people who are now not interested in audio. When we visit shows, shops, distributers and new clients we see that the level of most audio systems will never create a satisfied feeling. You cannot go on this way. It will have a negative influence on audio in the comming years. We want a higher level for all people all over the world. What I said; it is not about me. We want to give people the experience to feel the emotion of music. We are a team of audio fanatics who are all perfectionists and only go for the best. Maybe it is my idea, but I am just one person of the whole team. I use the experience and knowledge of different people who are just as fanatic as I am. Togheter we can create new products and a superior level in sound&vision. We all have the same goal; to become the best company in sound&vision in the world. This is not only selling products, but also a lot of research and doing tests. The team of our company gives me the freedom to focus even more on new products and qualtiy. It is a addiction for me to improve sound&vison over and over again. Each single person has his own task and part of our company. I never loved my job so much as this moment. Because the time I spend in research and test created a superior level in bith sound&vision. I still want to improve it time after time. This is what I love. My team gives me this freedom. I am thankful to do it togheter with all these unique people. |
And stil there is a lot of audioblindness. It is not black&white. Audio is all about sound and how you can reveal the emotion the music possesses. This only can be reached when a system owns all the different parts which can be there to reveal all the different parts which are needed to show the emotion. Trial and error systems always show that they are incomplete. We will use presentations to explain this and show it as well. This is how we work, always based on shootouts and comparison. We even can use different songs to explain each part of Tru-Fi. This makes it more easy to understand. We did it with many of our clients. Sound has nothing to do with personal taste. You want music to sound as it sounds in real. That is the only thing what is important. For example: almost all 2D systems build voices and instruments on the same line. But in real there is a lot of depth and space between them. This makes it very easy to understand that 2D sound is not natural. Most systems are not able to create diversity in sound. And again it is very easy to let people hear a system without diversity and with diversity. It makes people become aware how important diversity is en that this is needed to experience the emotion of the music. Like voices and instruments are very direct and small in demension. We call this intimate sound. We will use students of the conservatory to show how small and direct voices and instruments are. And what intimate does means and does with your emotion. And we also want to use them to show what diversity in sound means and does with your emotion. Tru-Fi is all about how voices and instruments sounds in real. This has northing to do with personal taste. We think and we believe that audio is all about a personal taste. This is how some people told us. And we believe that this is the truth. But when we ask people different questions about voices and instruments in real they have no idea how it sounds. Tell me how do you want to create an audio system when you don’t know this. This explains how silly it is and that trial and error never will create an audio system what comes even a little close to how it should sound. When people will become aware that sound owns different properties and togheter they build the sound and stage what we hear. They will understand that it is not about personal taste. That it is about the truth, real live music. |
I don't hate Wilson or any other brand. As a perfectionist and music lover I want brands to work harder and to create better quality for their clients. Wilson could use better drivers, tweeters, materials and techniques. This will make the level of their speakers better. Even the people who don't like them now could like them at the end. When you really want the best for the people who buy your products, you will give them more value for money. Each single person can make this decision.........when he (or she) wants to. |
Why the word hate? Everyone can have their own opinon. I visited many Wilson Audio owners in the last 12 years. They are not easy speakers to drive or use in most houses. In the past I visited many who had acoustic problems. This is based for a part on the design. The material they use for their drivers is not that fast, this makes it more difficuolt to controle. Beside this theu need current to control it. Even with Krell amps I often miss the layers other speakers are able to give. The thing I don't understand why they use out dated dome tweeters which got till 23khz of 27khz. A clint of mine owned the Sasha, he had difficulties in the high frequencies. It is ridiculous for the prive they cost that thye use this limited level of tweeters. Also in stage depth and width there are enough speakers who are able to create a much bigger stange. This year the Monitor Audio Pl-200 II outperfromed the Sasha like it was a speaker in a lower price range. People have no idea that the technique of the new Platinum series outperforms a Sasha that easy. This is a hard truth for people who spend a lot of money on their speakers. In the past I also did shootouts between Wilson Audio and the older Platinum series. Stereophile is the first magazine who has the gutts to tell the truth. And explains why the Platinum is a better speaker than the Wilson is. I can promiss that they are even polite. In real the difference between the Sasha and Pl-200 II is huge. When people would hear it themselves it will change your thoughts about Wilson and also about audio. Audio is not about paid stories, but about the real sound and quality during a shootout. These shootouts tell the truth, they are a lot differrent than what you read. Read it yourself: http://www.stereophile.com/content/monitor-audio-platinum-pl300-ii-loudspeaker#gmvb6Pu2jDHEtBlj.97 |
In real audio is a lot different than what you read. Audio should be all about the best quality in each price range. Most reviews are paid these days and this way consumers do not get the real information about a loudspeaker. When you compare the new Monitor Audio Platinum with different Wilson Audio loudspeakers there is no other way than conclude that the material they use is outdated. This has nothing to do with personal tast. It can be auditioned and understood by each single person. Using 'cheap' dometweeters does not make sense at all. Based on the properties it is insane to use this in 2016 (almost 2017) They should use better materials. Different shootouts showed that the drivers are too slow and are not able to let you hear all the layers you should hear. Again it has nothing to do with persona taste. We are talking about facts. |
Listen to the new Platinum series. These days they use ceramic drivers with carbon fiber. A client of mine owned the Sasha and only plays classical music. The new Platinum II ouperformed the Sasha in realism. The Sasha was not able to create the realism in sound and layers The slow drivers coulours the sound of realism. The other limitation is that the layers in the low frequency were missing when we listend to the Sasha. The Platinum 2 could reveal much more details in the whole frequency range compared to the Sasha. Monitor Audio has build their own factory in China supervised by English people. The store and shipment is still in England. Audio is about the quality in sound. In this part it outperforms the Wilson. For example the new AMT tweeter is superior in each part you judge a tweeter for. The new Platinum can easily let you hear the differences in height of a recording. When you listen to the Sasha, the instruments and voices are played at the same height. This is a lower level in quality. Again this has nothing to do with personal taste. In the world of highend, stage depth and width are essential parts. The new Platinum series can build a wider and deeper stage. Beside this the individual focus of instruments and voices is more intimate and sharper than the Wilson. This means a higher level in quality. |
Audio is all about music. Music is all about emotion. When you want to be able to hear all the emotion the music possess than you need an audio system what can reveal all this information. That is why we work by Tru-Fi. Tru-Fi consists of 8 parameters you judge sound for. This has nothing to do with personal taste. But is based on the human emotion. Each part of Tru-Fi influences our emotion. We learned in over 18 years of time to subtract each single part of an audio system. We test each single audio tool on what the DNA is. We build an audio system by properties of all the tools togheter in each system. We can proof and demo that each audiosystem by Tru-Fi owns a higher level of emotion and intensity. Audio is normally chosen by trial and error. This means people connect an amp, speaker, source and cables togheter en judge. The limitation of this all is that you will never understand why the stage and sound is what you hear. For us it is very simple to explain to people who have created an audio system by trial and error that it is incomplete. Incomplete means it misses parts of Tru-Fi. From experience I can tell that people understand directly what is missing and what this part is and does. Read what Tru-Fi means: https://www.facebook.com/bobby.kingma/media_set?set=a.10156554423700083.1073741937.588405082&typ... https://www.facebook.com/bobby.kingma/media_set?set=a.10156573228780083.1073741942.588405082&typ... We want to give each single person the highest level in sound&vision possible. We don’t focus on a name or brand but on the quality and properties we are looking for. We do a lot of reserach and tests. And we listen to new products to see if the quality would add to our demands. We don’t care about the name or brand. We want the best quality in each price range at the moment we life. Only the best counts and 2nd and 3th best does not add anything in our world. In vision we work at the same level. We know in each price range what the best screen is. This is the only one we sell. We calibrate each screen with the best calibration system in the world. |
When a loudspeaker is not able to create a lot of stage depth and width, we will never sell it. Don’t forget that over 99% of all audio systems which are being sold are 2 dimensional. Yesterday we did a test with the new Esoteric N-05. The person who does Esoteric in the Benelux visited over a week ago a shop who also has the B&W 800D3. They did test many amps on the 800D3 and they said; we were not able to create more than 1 metre of stage depth. I can garantee for 100% thas this is the max. When you own a loudspeaker of 30.000 dollar and it only can create 1 metre of stage depth you limit yourself. I can garantee you 100% that a loudspeaker who creates a stunning 3 dimensional holographic stage will influence your emotion and level of exitement a lot. I do never copy a text, but yes I write often the same kind of information. I want to keep it as simple as possible. I visited many people with expensive systems. Most of them were not happy with their system. Now they know that the flat stage was an important part why they did not want to listen to their system anymore. Based on the experience of people and their information I stopped selling any kind of 2D audio. The level of becoming one with the music is of a much lower level. |
How stuppid can you be to use the word hate. I do not hate any kind of brand. I want people in audio to become more open and honest to consumers. The focus need to be more on quality instead of making the most money. The way companies work in audio will decrease the market each single year. When you want to persuade more people to buy audio, you need to give them quality. I met so many people in the last years that were not happy with their system. The main reason is the lack of knowledge and insight in audio. But also the low level of quality you see in many products. This will only have a bad influence on the market. I would love to see Wilson Audio to use new and beter materials. So consumers will get more value for money. I think about B&W the same way. They should focus more on quality. For example better crossovers, new design in tweeters. I don’t hate any brand. They all see that the market is decreasing. But when you focus on short time distance and you use cheaper parts than people will walk away. I love music and audio to death. I want to share my passion with as many people possible. Giving them the highest level in realism and emotion. |
In 2 years of time when I run a shop I had a huge room with many speakers. I always had a 2 dimensional system ready and a 3 dimensional system. The difference on how people (many who never spend serious moneu on audio) reacted to the differences made me stop selling 2 dimensional audio. 3 dimensional sound brings you closer to the artists. I talked to many people with 2 dimensional systems. You often hear that after time they are not that interested anymore in listening to music. The people who own a 3 dimensional system use there sets a lot more. People who work in audio need to give their clients the highest level in sound quality possible. No person will be very happy with a 2 dimensional system. You cannot change this. This is how the human emotion works. In the last years I have met new clients who were never been that happy with their systems. I brought them all to a 3 dimensional system. Their reactions are priceless. But this is only a part of Tru-Fi. Because diversity in sound is even more important. Based on a lot of research and tests we are now able to create a higher of diversity in sound as well. It is very simple all people will always prefer the sound what reveals the highest level in emotion. Yesterday we compared the Lumin S1 against the new Esoteric N-05. The stage of the S1 is a lot deeper and wider. So here again you see how important the dna is of each part you judge sound for. I have been addicted to music and sound all my life. Togheter with friends we frequently visit live concerts. And we see that also overhere there is a lot to improve. Soon we will start doing tests with S.A.P. for live music. |
5 weeks ago we visit an audio show with 30 rooms. We were with about 8 persons. Most also work in audio. We all agreed that all systems were 2 dimensional. Most products in audio are 2 dimensional, that is fact you cannot change. For an audio system what create a huge 3 dimensional stage each single product needs to be able to create it. Wilson Audio owns crossovers who are also able to create a good deep and wide stage. These days we also see pictures of Wilson Audio loudspeakers driven by 2 dimensional amps. Here you see that people have no idea which amps can create a deep and wide stage an which can't. |
I would like to see that more brands are able to creat stage depth and width. In the over 18 years of time I have tested so many products. It is like an addiction. I owned and sold 2 dimensional audio for a long time. It is not a bad thing. But I know why people prefer 3 dimensional sound far over 2 dimensional audio. The thing is that it has nothing to do with expensive audio. By all the research I did I found out that some brands which are not that expensive are able to create it. In 2007 I started to look for products and brands what could create the same kind of exitement as the expensive systems I owned. The positive thing about the time we live now, is that is is so much more easy to create a stunning level in sound for a lot less money compared to the past. That is why we want to give as many people possible a high level in quality for prices many people can afford. In the past I visited different people with Wilson Audio loudspeakers. They needed cables like Transparent to tame the tweeter. It is difficult for me to understand why they use a 23khz tweeter in the Sasha. It was clear that it had difficulties with different recordings. A speaker in this price range should own a tweeter what can handle each recording and alos Hi Res with ease. But this is not the case. Even with MIT Oracle cables ( which tame the high fequencies like hell) the high frequencies still were not under controle. Even a Momentum poweramp did not solve it as well. It is a cheap dome tweeter what does not cost a lot of money. If I would create a speaker in this price range, I would use superior materials and techniques. The looks of the Wilson Audio loudspeakers are allowed in the US. But in Europe we see them as outdated in looks. The need to restyle it soon. Maybe now his son is in charge he will change it. The response of the drivers need to be a lot faster. |
Dear Dave, I have done thousands of tests, and I understand how 3 dimensional sound works and what you need. The reason why it is difficult, is that most products and brands are 2 dimensional. This means when you bring one 2 dimensional product into a system what owns only 3 dimensional products, you go back to an almost 2 dimensional stage. All the results showed the same outcome, over and over again. This is why audio is shootout. Audio is for me like a big puzzle, and I want to understand everything. So you need to test over and over again. Hundreds of times each single year. This is how addicted and commited I am to sound. Creating new information. And mann I love it. This is not work, this is a part of who I am since I was a child. It has become my second nature. And I can do it blind. The funny thing is that when I tell people I have done thousands of tests in audio they really think; he is making it up. But everything I say is exactly as I wrote and told it. The good thing about Wilson Audio is that Wilson is a very commited person who wants to create great products. You don't have to like them, based on the fact you don't like the sound. But how stuppid you would be to say: I hate them. Hate is a word when you dislike these people so much that it makes you angry. So that is why I say: I would use faster materials and tweeters which will better fit to hi res recordings. And will have more grip. This is only a personal opinion, nothing more nothing less. Why for God sake you use the word hate? I wish each single company in audio the best. When I visit people and I see over and over agian the same limitations. I write it down. And I hope the companies will do it differently the next time. To give their clients the best products. What is wrong to give this information? Nothing is perfect, neither are we. But when we help eachother more people will have better quality. No one should be excluded. First listen to the new Platinum series and then give an opinion. I am even prepared to talk to Wilson about the problems people have with their Wilson Audio loudspeakers. When I say: I never auditioned a loudspeaker what can reveal so many layers of a recoding. It is a personal experience. But I never auditioned this at any client I visited with Wilson Audio loudspeakers. At the end it is just a personal experience, don't make a big deal of it all the time. Same thing when I said: I never could hear the diversity in height of recordings so obvious. This is the truth and each single person I gave a demo experienced it the same way. With the the Sasha we could hear that all the instruments had the same level in height. This was with the system of my client. It is just based on this system. The new Platinum drivers are superior in timing, control, dynamics and layering than we had with the Sasha. I would be even prepared when we get a Wilson Audio loudspeasker to demo it. In 2017 we will start a videoblog as well. Beside our own language we will do it in english as well. We want to use it to share information about sound&vision. For us audio is all about shootout and what we can hear. At the end it is to give people the highest level in quality. In 2017 we will audition many new products and when we think it is better than what we have, we will change it. I know it is different, but we are different. Because we believe that this is the best way to give people the highest quality. I am a perfectionist, in each single thing I buy I do research to find out what is the best. It is inside my system since I was a child. This is how I sell and advice sound&vision. And all people in audio have the same changes to do it their way. May the best win. And yes I want to become the best in sound&vision in the world. I will never do it for anything less. Others in this world have to proof they can do it better. So proof it... |
Dear Shadorne, The Pl-500 is the most relaxt loudspeaker I have auditioned sofar. I also auditioned the Alexandria 2 and this demo was rarther poor. Still it was the setup of the distributer. My perfectionism is this huge that each single kind of imperfection makes me F. irritated. It needs to be perfect, flawless. With classical music the Pl-200 could reveal details of instruments which were not auditionable with the Sasha. Beside this the layering in the lowest freq. missed information as well. When you compare the 100khz AMT tweeter against the 23khz dome tweeter of the Sasha, the differences could not be bigger. The AMT not only reveals more details and information but has so much more authority and grip on the high freq. The new drivers are in response faster than anything we auditioned sofar. 2 weeks ago a person who’s biggest passion is music an audio. He owns a system far over 50.000 dollar. He said; this is the best low freq I ever auditioned. He called it reference low frequency. I have to admit that S.A.P. creates a superior timing what never can be created by any kind of old school highend audio. But you still need fast drivers. The accuton drivers have a coloration what I call: the mjeh sound. You hear it when you compare a violin/cello in real. Played by systems who use accuton drivers a violin sounds a lot more clean and misses the layering in sound a violin can reveal. The old drivers of the first Platinum series were also made of ceramics with some aluminium. Accuton uses similar construction. I owned the Pl-300 of the first Platinum series. I liked them, but I did not like the mid freq. of this speaker. It was a different coloration compared to accuton drivers. I could not listen to classical music with these speakers. It needs to sound as in real or I cannot bare it. The Pl-200 which came out in 2010 used new crossovers and with classical music it sounded much more natural. But the new drivers of the new Platinum series are a lot different. What I said; we never auditioned so many layers in sound than with the new Platinum series. A voice coil limits the timing of a driver. The technique Monitor Audio uses is superior in timing. And mannnn this makes a huge difference. At low volume it can build so much more dynamics and layering in the lowest freq. What they changed as well it using carbon fiber on the back of each driver. And this creates a much lower level of distortion. With classical music you get a superior level of realism and layering in sound. When you own the Pl-500 and you visit clients, shows and other shops it is F. insane at what level of quality and realism they listen to. When we visit shops, new clients, audio shows and distributers we always go back in time. We listen to systems with many mistakes and parts of Tru-Fi which are missing. They all have acoustic problems, we do not have them anymore for many years now. When I see a picture of audio systems in most situation I know that the combination does not make sense at all. This is based on the properties they connected to eachother. But they use audio by trial and error. They do not know the properties of each single part. That is why I call it audiogambling. When I ask the question: can you tell me why the stage and sound is what we hear? And no one can answer it, it stops for me. |
Dear meerzistar, we call a system 2 dimensional when the stage depth is 1 metre max. Many 2 dimensional systems have even a lot less. So when you put some music on, voices and instruments are al most standing on the same line. What this does with your emotion is that the music is less involving and people often use the words; it is more standing away from you. When you listen to the same music in a 3 dimensional system, the voices and instruments are more separated from eachother but also separated in depth. You are pulled into the music and you become more one with the music. When I changed from 2d to 3D you always see the smile on the faces of people. Their reactions was the reason why I stopped selling 2 dimensional sound. I work on behave of the people who wants to buy an audio system. I want to give them the best possible, not second best. When I was them I would only want the best. I become them and I make the same decisions as I would make for myself. Music is a part of my life and I want others to get the same addictive feeling as I experience. |
We sell many parts like cables, sources, conditioners and modifications to many peole with expensive sets. Money does not garantee you anything. You have no idea what we created and what we do. Most things we will never post or share. I can garantee you that it will change the world in audio in 2017. We are far ahead in knowledge and insight than all other people are. We have now a specialist in Marketing and we will share the knowledge and ideas with manufacturers. It outperforms anything in highend audio at this moment. It is that more precise and natural sounding. When I say: we create and sell a sound. It is a new approach. This is a new level in creating audio systems. What is superior in effectivity. This is based on the fact that trial and error is ineffective to create an audio system. We work and think based on the human emotion. This creates a much higher level in realism and quality. This will give people a new level in listening to their beloved music. |
People focus on brands all the time in audio. They think when we buy products with great reviews
we will have an awesome system.
Audio does not work like that. You can use it this way but at the end trial and error always will be very ineffective. You can create a superior level in sound when you would focus on just properties of each single part of your sustem. That is why I say: we don’t care about a name, but we are just interested in properties a brand or product can give us. Based on the properties togheter of a product we decide if it fits into our Tru-Fi. The focus is always on Tru-Fi. Tru-Fi makes it possible to use all the qualities/properties a loudspeaker owns. Because we want to know the DNA of each single loudspeaker. Then we know which quality/properties it owns. It is our goal to reveal all the properties and quality the speaker can give. But when you will use this speaker and create your system by trial and error. I can garantee you that it is impossible to use all the properties it owns. And you know why? Because you are not able to know what the properties of each part of your system are. Most of the choices you made these are products which do not own all the parts of Tru-Fi. At the end you are not able to use all the properties/qualities of the speaker you own. |
Dear Dave, my religion is very important in my life as well. That is why I protect each single client. And I will always do the best I can to give them the best possible for the money they spend. In the last years I met too many people who were not advised on a honest and respectful way. That is why I would like to see a more open and honest world in audio. This only can be achieved when people have more respect to the people who buy their products. have a nice Christmas. |
Tru-Fi has nothing to do with any kind of equipment. There are different aspects you can hear when you listen to a system. I give you an example: Diversity in sound is the most important part to create emotion for us humans. It is a part of Tru-Fi A few days ago we did a shootout between the S1 (AudioFacts modified) and the new Esoteric N-05. The person who does Esoteric in the Benelux visit me and wanted to do a shootout. The difference in diversity in sound was huge. The S1 was able to reveal a lot more layers in the whole freq. range. Voices were not only richer, but you could hear the layers of a voice. When we listend to the same music withe the Esoteric it was like the layers were gone. There was no connection witht the music. Like the emotion was gone. With the S1 you directly are connected with the music. A friend of mine gave classical live concerts for about 60 people in his house. Here I learned that voices and instruments are very direct and small in dimenson. I was hypnotized when I closed my eyes and I heard a voice live. I call this intimate sound. It is a part of Tru-Fi. You want to hear voices as realistic possible. They need to be small and own the same size as in real. When a voice becomes more physical apparant we talk about a higher black level. This is also a part of Tru-Fi With the right properties you can create a higher black level. It is very easy to compare parts in how good they are in this part. What we do is we use music and pick one part of Tru-Fi and explain it to our clients. When you compare for example cables, the differences in how big instruments anv voices are in proportion is big. Same about how physical these voices and instruments are tangible. Tru-Fi makes is easier for people to understand what the differences are between cables, amps, sources, speakers etc. Tru-Fi has nothing to do with any brand or product. The focus is on the sound you can hear at the end. And you want to hear all the layers of the music. Toy want to hear the space of the room. You want to hear the diversity in sound, You want to hear the place in depth and width of an instrument and voices. You want to hear the differences in height of instruments when they used microphones at different heights. The Esoteric could create stage depth and width. But the stage of the S1 was so much deeper and wider. This is dna you cannot change. The S1 was a lot more dynamic and controled. This is the difference in dna as well. Like instruments and voices became more free and apparent withe the S1. Instruments and voices were a lot less tangible with the Esoteric. The person who brought the Esoteric said at the first song within 10 seconds; okay clear, no comparison. We are talking about superior quality between the S1 and the Esoteric. In this year we have done a lot of research in smog, electricity, magnetism and diversity in sound. With different technical people we developed new parts and ideas to modify sources, amps and powersupplies. We made huge progress in many products. Perfectionism goes on and on in my head. It never stops and it always needs to become better. So we go on testing. I work with great people who are also autistic in audio like me. Togheter we create new thoughts in audio. I have ideas in my head all the time, and I use their technical support to create it. This is their specialism. For me this is what I love most. It becomes very addictive when the results are mindblowing. 2017 will be the year we share it with manufacturers and customers. We have done it with many people all ready. But now we will make it public as well. |
Only at small concerts and at a few jazz concerts I have auditioned a 3 dimensional stage. But we have many ideas for live music as well. Soon we will do the first tests with S.A.P.-measurement for live music as well. When it works as we think it will we hope to publish it as well. We have done tests in a hall with a ceiling of about 8 metres. The result were the same as in a small room. But now we will use it for live music. |
We compared the Esoteric K-01X with the Meridian 800daxv4 and 808 several times. The Meridians sounded much more analogue and had a much better individual focus of instruments and voices. The owner of the Esoteric had to admit that the Meridian sounded much more analogue. He also listened most of the time to his recordplayer. You can modify it but still the dna you cannot change. Audio is all about shootout and comparison. The Tannoy tweeter is not that special anymore at the time we live. We auditioned it several times and did not blend well with many loudspeakers. I tested several silver PCs as well. I was not a fan of it. Jim Aud of Purist Audio has the same idea’s as I have. He only made one because people asked for it. Silver loudspeakercables and interconnects is a whole different story. You will hear and see it soon, trial and error will never be effective. |
Each brand who makes sources has its own dna how it builds the stage. I also sold different modified Marantz sources. What you cannot change is that it is a 2 dimensional source and it will stay like that also after a modification. Even when you own speakers and amps who are able to build a 3 dimensional stage, the source needs this dna as well. in 2015 I brought 2 brothers from a 2D stage to a 3D stage. They both owned Marantz sources. Shootouts proved these sources limited them in the stage of their system. So the Marantz sources had to go! |
3 dimensional sound is not about money, it is all about properties. But the problem is that knowledge and insight is very limited in audio. I give you an example; people think when I buy tubes I get a more musical sound and more emotion. In the last few weeks people visited me who own expensive tube amps; like AudioResearch and Absolare. They were stunned that my sound is even more involving than their sound and owns so much more layers. These layers influences our emotion the most. I do not use tubes. Read the articles of the Pass labs XS-300. When I have the money I will buy a set of these. You have no idea how much further I can get into sound and change each parameter of sound. Audio is your hobby, I earn my money with it. I never saw it as work. It is in my blood. It is inside my head. I can adjust each single part you judge sound for. With this you can create a superior level in realims what never will be possible by trial and error. Even when you spend 1 million of dollars. S.A.P. can reveal details which you cannot hear with a pre amp of 50.000 dollar. Money does not create the same level of details. Money will not give the same level in timing. It is insane that many companies in audio have been sleeping for a long time. Many think it is still 1980. Without giving a name, I can garantee for 100% that many highend manufacturers of expensive loudspeakers often use 2 dimensional amps and sources. They often use the wrong cables. They have no idea of the properties. It is just a guess what they do. But audio does not work like that and it never will. You need to learn to look further! |