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Believers VS. nonbelievers???? GEEzzzzz

Curious how certain products elicit praise from one body and "I can't believe you fall for that snake oil..." from others.
I have a hard time believing some of the stuff (the WORST example is the "Tice Clock" from the early 90's, that you just had to have in the same room!!!)but in general, some of the protesters are ranting on "general priciples" and never tried the stuff/thing in question...(I myself was in that category on power cords till I tried one) and even if they did, it may not have been effective on thier particular system, but just what was needed on someone elses.
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What I am trying to say in a half formed way is that an honest concern about a product and trying to help guide other away from the "stupid mods" is a difficult path to walk. And since we are all experts and know all there is to know about "audiophilia" maybe we could be more modest in damning stuff others think is worth doing. Rather consider that it may be a path of exploration we choose not to follow now. To say "I haven't explored that but I don't think it's worth trying" vs "you are crazy to think that works and a fool for trying it." is a BIG gap.
Any comments?????
elizabeth
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Doug: There isn't an ounce of hard scientific data in Albert's post on green pens. That's just the clever spiel that sells the snake oil. Hard scientific data would, for example, compare the average number of uncorrected errors per hour of playing time for treated vs. untreated disks. And guess what? There's no difference. You can believe anything you want. Just stop trying to pretend there's even the remotest scientific justification for your belief.
detlof
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The only common ground, thanks Katharina by the way, I see evolving, if the "scientists" give us the benefit of the doubt and we are open to experimental verification or falsification of our hypothesising. An approach like that, would do us all a lot of good and the experimental proceedures and the maths involved should be worked out and agreed upon by both sides. The industry won't do it, the mags won't do it for obvious reasons. We the consumers should do it for our own benefit.
detlof
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Jostler, an interesting and well reasoned point. Could you give us the source(s) for your "no difference" statement. Not that I doubt you, but I want to read and find out for myself.
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Detlof: I'm afraid I can't give you a source for that. (I'm not a freakin' research library, ya know.) I don't know what the mean time between error correction failures is, but it's a pretty rare occurrence (otherwise you'd be hearing all sorts of ugly sounds every time you played a CD), which suggests that green pens are solving a non-existent problem.
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Katharina: People who "think outside the box" are essential to the advancement of science. But only if their thinking doesn't take us over the same ground we traversed decades ago. One cannot contribute to scientific advancement if one remains willfully ignorant of the current state of the science. You don't have to (and shouldn't) accept current scientific understanding as final and definitive, but how can you be skeptical of it if you don't even know what it is? And too many audiophiles don't.
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