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Believers VS. nonbelievers???? GEEzzzzz

Curious how certain products elicit praise from one body and "I can't believe you fall for that snake oil..." from others.
I have a hard time believing some of the stuff (the WORST example is the "Tice Clock" from the early 90's, that you just had to have in the same room!!!)but in general, some of the protesters are ranting on "general priciples" and never tried the stuff/thing in question...(I myself was in that category on power cords till I tried one) and even if they did, it may not have been effective on thier particular system, but just what was needed on someone elses.
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What I am trying to say in a half formed way is that an honest concern about a product and trying to help guide other away from the "stupid mods" is a difficult path to walk. And since we are all experts and know all there is to know about "audiophilia" maybe we could be more modest in damning stuff others think is worth doing. Rather consider that it may be a path of exploration we choose not to follow now. To say "I haven't explored that but I don't think it's worth trying" vs "you are crazy to think that works and a fool for trying it." is a BIG gap.
Any comments?????
elizabeth
sedond
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katherina, i agree w/ewe. one of the reasons i like s'phile is, while they may have many faults, they do subjective reviewing w/extremely thorough measurements. i'm all *for* scientific inwestigation, it's yust that i won't dismiss out-of-hand something that has yet to be werified by measurements - isle use my ears & decide for myself.

regards, doug s.

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jadem6
1,071 posts
 
Yes we all are getting tierd of the threads, but the issue has not even started to be solved. All I'm looking for is some common ground for wich to proceed. I think Steve and I may be finding it on another thread, and if that can indeed happen, I believe these folks all have helpful insight as long as they don't piss so many of use off that they get booted from the island.
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479058
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Doug: There isn't an ounce of hard scientific data in Albert's post on green pens. That's just the clever spiel that sells the snake oil. Hard scientific data would, for example, compare the average number of uncorrected errors per hour of playing time for treated vs. untreated disks. And guess what? There's no difference. You can believe anything you want. Just stop trying to pretend there's even the remotest scientific justification for your belief.
detlof
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The only common ground, thanks Katharina by the way, I see evolving, if the "scientists" give us the benefit of the doubt and we are open to experimental verification or falsification of our hypothesising. An approach like that, would do us all a lot of good and the experimental proceedures and the maths involved should be worked out and agreed upon by both sides. The industry won't do it, the mags won't do it for obvious reasons. We the consumers should do it for our own benefit.
detlof
1,899 posts
 
Jostler, an interesting and well reasoned point. Could you give us the source(s) for your "no difference" statement. Not that I doubt you, but I want to read and find out for myself.
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