Why does unplugging/replugging TT leads from tube phono pre-amp reset dead channel?


I have a BAT VK P-10SE with Superpak.  Tubed phono preamp.  When one of the channels drops out (it actually is out when the system powers up), I used to go nuts trying to figure out which tube needed replacing.  I have learned, after much frustration, that simply unplugging the lead from the Turntable - and plugging it back in - solves the problem.  Sometimes it's the left channel.  Sometimes the right.  And if I leave the system on with no music playing for a while, on occasion a channel will drop out.  I have asked at several stereo shops...no one know why this works.  Or what the real underlying cause of the problem is.  When it works...it sounds great.  No indication of a tube issue.  And the cartridge - Shelter 901 - sounds great, too.  Any advice is welcome.  Thanks.

Joe
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Thanks for the suggestions. I have a Linn LP12. Only one set of RCA leads. Can’t remove them.

Al- I’ve had the unit for years. This is a new issue...I think...perhaps since the upgrade to the Superpak. BAT can’t replicate the issue.

1- I have the shorting plugs.
2- not sure on the loading...it was set when the cartridge was put in years ago.
3- no sounds...no clicks....It just gets quiet. I can listen for hours before that happens.
4- " When it powers up, it will not be working." That is after the initial mute has concluded it’s cycle. I wait. I hear the click that it’s on. I get music on one channel and I hear nothing in the other channel. I just pull the dead lead, put it back. I’m good to go.

Think it’s a grounding issue? It switches from one side to the other randomly. Does that info help? Thanks everyone.
Thanks for the additional info.  It doesn't sound like a grounding issue, as there's no hum involved.

If by any chance you have a multimeter, it might be helpful if you could perform the following experiment:  Remove one of the XLR shorting plugs.  On that plug, measure the resistances between pins 1 and 2; between pins 1 and 3; and between pins 2 and 3.

Depending on whether all three pins are shorted together, or just pins 1 and 3 (or possibly 1 and 2) are shorted together, or if there is some significant resistance between the pins, I might have some further ideas.  Such as perhaps trying the XLR inputs using RCA-to-XLR adapters.

If you don't have a multimeter, you might ask BAT if using an adapter, such as this one, would be ok.  Like most such adapters, it connects XLR pins 1 and 3 and the RCA ground shell together, while connecting the RCA center pin to XLR pin 2.

Good luck.  Regards,
-- Al
 
Hi Al,
OK...here is what has happened since your post:
 - I own the adaptors you suggested...supplied by David Lewis Audio upon sale.  They have been un-used out of a concern that it would degrade the sound.  But you provided reason to use them.  (FWIW -  I did not do the tests you suggested.  Is there need for that still?  I do not want to overlook anything....)
- I inserted the adaptors prior to powering up...and both channels worked!
- I listened to a few albums...and then the right channel dropped out...
- Without muting anything...I unplugged the right channel from the balanced adaptors and immediately plugged it back in..and the channel came back!
- and I took a swig of gin...b/c I was stymied!!!  HELP@@!!!
There is no explanation.
You have entered..... The Twilight Zone.

I am thinking of a mismatch between the male RCA plugs at the ends of the ICs coming from the Linn and the female RCA jacks on the BAT, such that the hot contact is intermittent. This can happen if the male RCA pin is not long enough quite to reach the contact point inside the female or the male is too thin in diameter. I apologize for the myriad of sexual connotations. 
Lew, not sure you saw that shortly before you posted the OP indicated that he tried connecting the RCA plugs to the BAT’s XLR input connectors via adapters, with the problem nevertheless presenting itself subsequently.

Joe, no problem re not having done the measurements I suggested. I made that suggestion mostly because I thought it might provide me with some insight into how the input circuit is implemented, which in turn might have triggered further ideas.

At this point, if you haven’t already done so I would suggest that while music is playing you very gently wiggle and tug on the cables, near the turntable end as well as at the phono stage end. If that doesn’t precipitate a dropout, and given that the problem has occurred with both the RCA and XLR inputs, I would have to think that the cables and connectors are exonerated, and the culprit is something in the circuitry of the phono stage. As to specifically what that may be, I’m at a loss at this point.

Per one of my earlier suggestions, though, it might prove useful to know what the resistive loading is set to, since as I had mentioned the act of disconnecting the turntable cables changes the impedance presented to the input stage from essentially the cartridge’s impedance to whatever value the loading is set to. I realize that in order to determine that you would have to open up the phono stage. But who knows, when you do that you might spot a burned resistor, a leaking capacitor, or some other visual evidence of something that might account for the problem!

Regards,
-- Al