Jazz for aficionados
You can't wriggle your way out of this one Frogman, the music was better at "The Town Hall Concert", and since you are a musician you know it, and if you don't, put some headphones on and listen. Like I said, Bird had a white plastic sax at Massey Hall, not even the great "Bird" was good enough to blow himself away on that one; and that's who he was competing with. |
I thought the Massey Hall record said "The Greatest Jazz Concert Ever". Doesn't that settle the issue? ;) https://www.allmusic.com/album/jazz-at-massey-hall-mw0000653534 |
O-10, why do you do this? Why do you ask for opinions and then pick fights when you don’t like the answers? You often seem desperate to be “right” when it’s not a matter of being right or wrong; especially curious coming from someone who does a lot of “wiggling” (your term) by invoking the “subjectivity clause”. You think your clip is “better”, whatever that means. That’s great! I already said I like them both and gave detailed reasons for why I like the other a little better overall. Just what is the problem? You think the music on your clip is better. I disagree that overall it’s better; it’s different. Btw, re the plastic saxophone. Talk about “superfluous”!!! Actually, it was made of acrylic; the “Grafton” saxophone. If you would like to know why to a player like Bird it would make no difference let me know and I would be glad to explain it to you. In the meantime, you may find this interesting. Be sure to check out the video link of the comparison/demonstration of a brass saxophone (Buesher) and the Grafton acrylic saxophone; the very kind Bird used at Massey Hall: https://tamingthesaxophone.com/saxophone-material |
Frogman, I don't believe you gave the music a critical listen; consequently you gave a "wrong" answer, and now you're locked into your wrong answer. Yes, subjective opinion can make a difference, but sometimes there is "objective" reality. Anybody else, I would let it slide, because they are not capable of making an "objective" evaluation of the music, but you are. You even stated why the "Town Hall" is better; " On the other hand, the solos by both Bird and Dizzy on the version with Al Haig are incredible. Bird’s solo break is a wonder. Tough choice, aren’t we lucky?" What could be more important than those two solos? You win Frogman, on to the next thing. |
frog, many thanks for that sax demo. Even as a non-musician and through my iMac speakers I could hear differences. I found the Buesher to have a little more body (dimensionality, air passing through a cylindrical tube) and slightly mellower tonality. The Grafton sounded brighter and "flatter". However, to me they were not big differences and I wouldn’t say I could always identify one versus the other on a given recording (with no back-and-forth for comparison). What did Ornette play? |
