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@mrdecibel I think kosst explained it perfectly. Whatever we write is now up in the forum for all to read, many looking to learn. Then these newbies end up taking this stuff as Gospel. That's why kosst and I feel the need to shine the light of reality on some of these discussions. 
Plus i hate the idea of companies essentially  ripping people off, selling them stuff at a 2000% markup saying it does xyz when it does nothing. 
It always boggles my mind that we have these fuse threads that run 50 pages of nonsense but if you start a room treatment thread, stuff that works, makes a difference that you can measure, you will be lucky to get one page.   

@geoffkait  I know, it's crazy!  You ask someone for scientific proof and they start crying that you are rude!  Glad you understand. 

@kdude66 what are the TRL vs APL threads?

@mrdecibel 

Analogluvr accented my point nicely. We're not typing our thoughts into a word processor here to chronicle our experiences. We're committing thoughts to a crowd. I think it's a very reasonable thing to expect to have your statements scrutinized when proclaiming them to a crowd. 
I've mulled this fine line of snake oil over a good bit and I'm pretty clear where I stand. For a long time now we've been able to measure the performance of audio gear with resolution WAY beyond what any human ear can distinguish. That is a fact. Because that is a fact, anything that makes an audible difference to a human ear should logically be observable through a measurement. If there is no observable difference in a measurement, then it's very reasonable to believe that there's no audible difference since a good measurement is orders of magnitude more discriminating than a human ear. That's where I draw the hard line between snake oil and valid products. When I know that $1.50 worth of Panasonic resistors in my amp's power supply will make FAR more difference than a $50 fuse back behind my transformer, I'm calling that jazz snake oil. That's why I have no interest in trying such things. I think folks selling such products are playing off the technical ignorance of a passionate crowd and I think it's disreputable. I look at this stuff with a much more technical curiosity than most seem to or something. I recognize we've all got our tastes. I'd be willing to bet that any one individual's tastes can be described in terms of a particular signature of measurements. I think it would be very useful to the consumer to try to define what that signature looks like because it would greatly reduce the guess work involved in constructing a pleasing system. Maybe it would even promote some people to cater to those particular tastes in a more focused way. I tend to think good engineers are already doing that. 

geoff "Oh, brother! Bring out the crying towels! It’s cryin time again. 😢 At least perhaps most the anti tweakers and defenders of the sacred Laws of Science can be corralled in one place, at least temporarily."

Geoff, did you take your silly pills a little too early this morning? Who other than our humble scribe himself basis his primary argument, that being the directionality of wire, on the science of wire drawing? Let me remind you, lest you have forgotten, that wire is imparted a directionality through a "rearranging" of the wire molecules as it is pulled through the draw die.

The plaintiff rests his case.