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jon_5912

geoffkait: We actually can not (rpt not) measure soundstage height

We also do not know what the soundstage height is on the recording so there is no way to determine what the correct height is. That means we also don’t know whether one component is more or less accurate when it sounds different in this area.

>>>>Actually we do know what the soundstage should be. The soundstage dimensions of the recording (if recorded live) is the dimensions of the recording venue. What with reverberant decay, echo and other acoustic characteristics captured on the recording. That’s why folks are able to recognize the sound of a particular hall or other venue. This sound of the hall is more apparent on well-recorded material and on high resolution system, obviously.

After doing a ton of reading and listening over about 20 years I’ve decided that these types of differences are most likely distortions that will improve perceived performance in one area and degrade it in another. I don’t have the patience or the budget to blow through a lot of time and tens of thousands of dollars trying to find the perfect amount of various types of distortions to suit my taste. While I agree that everything can’t be measured, when people start talking a lot about something as nebulous as soundstage height I tend to lose interest.

>>>>Sorry to have to be the one to disabuse you of your conclusions, especially in view of your 20 years of reading and listening. Soundstage is one of those things, you either hear it or you don’t. Better luck in the next 20 years. 😀

I hate to pile on but in addition to having an unbearable personality, kait is probably high end audio message boards’ most recognizable charlatan. I say if for the benefit of anyone who’s new to the hobby and isn’t familiar with the teleportation tweak, etc.

>>>>>Whoa! What? Wow, the superlatives keep on coming! Thanks for the mention! 🤡

gdhal
jon_5912 - I hate to pile on but in addition to having an unbearable personality, kait is probably high end audio message boards’ most recognizable charlatan. I say if for the benefit of anyone who’s new to the hobby and isn’t familiar with the teleportation tweak, etc.

+1

some synonyms, in no particular order:

delusional, fictitious, parasitic, liar, voodoo, sarcastic

>>>>Earth to gdhal - Are you looking in the mirror, spaceman? 👨‍🚀

Oh my,What’s a soundstage?

Kenny.

I'm not saying there is no soundstage you goofballs.  Of course there is and of course you can get a sense of the recording space.  And of course you're intentionally interpreting what I said in an extreme and intentionally wrong way.  It's how manipulative people behave.

When you talk about soundstage height, though, not a lot needs to be said.  If you were there when the recording was made and you listen to it at home afterwards did it sound about right?  If you weren't there but you have been to the place the recording was made did it sound like you'd expect from that location?  

When delusional reviewers and charlatans talk about a particular component having a lot of soundstage height, depth, etc. they don't typically relate it to how big the recording space actually was, how the recording was made.  When components are compared and one is said to have greater soundstage depth and no mention is made of what the depth of the actual soundstage was, there's no reason to think the component with the greater depth is the more accurate one.