Please Read and express your feelings and opinions....

Well, Geoff, you and Mikey are out there just spinning your fictions about how characteristics of perception can't be measured and I just proved you're both just making it up. 

And by the way, Mike, you're long winded agreement with Geoff really takes your authority and respect level WAY down. 

kosst_amojan"Well, Geoff, you and Mikey are out there just spinning your fictions about how characteristics of perception can't be measured and I just proved you're both just making it up."

Actually you have not proven anything you are just like all the others here to want to portray yourselves as serious disciplined intellectual scientists when in fact you are afraid to conduct your own tests and afraid of anyone who's experience exceeds yours you offer no evidence you just keep repeating the mantra that it all sounds the same and if it doesn't your being fooled or biased or the old emperors clothes fairy tail. 

Kosst still doesn't get it..... unbelievable......and amusing.

Geoff - After installing the SR Blackbox, I am enjoying listening to 78s where even 30's and 40's piano recordings sound like the piano is in the room, occupying a space as wide as the speakers and as deep as the studio or hall they are recorded in.  Almost stereophonic.  You are so right that there is so much soundstaging potential in recordings (especially simply miked ones) where there is ample depth, width and height.  I just get complaints on the heighth of some of my stereo recordings where my friend harps on knowing that the instruments were recorded on an elevated stage above the mics.  He could be correct but I really care if that's all I'm missing in my soundstage.

Why do I need to do the research myself to prove whats already well understood technology deplyed throughout the recording and reproduction industry? If all these perceptual characteristics can't be measured, how is it that recording engineers have been reproducing and enhancing these phenomenon for decades? Prove it? Go to Best Buy! Buy a CD! Talk to an engineer! You people talk like all a recording engineer does is throw some mics in a room, pick up the sound, balance the levels, and send it out the door. Not even close! The guy who advised me on my room is a Billboard charting producer and engineer. I've seen, heard, and watched what he does. There's no snake oil, myths, or guesswork. The guy knows what you're going to hear because he knows what information he's incorporating into the mix to create the illusions. "Can't measure a soundstage..." Whatever!