Absolute top tier DAC for standard res Redbook CD


Hi All.

Putting together a reference level system.
My Source is predominantly standard 16/44 played from a MacMini using iTunes and Amarra. Some of my music is purchased from iTunes and the rest is ripped from standard CD's.
For my tastes in music, my high def catalogues are still limited; so Redbook 16/44 will be my primary source for quite some time.

I'm not spending DCS or MSB money. But $15-20k retail is not out of the question.

Upsampling vs non-upsampling?
USB input vs SPDIF?

All opinions welcome.

And I know I need to hear them, but getting these ultra $$$ DAC's into your house for an audition ain't easy.

Looking for musical, emotional, engaging, accurate , with great dimension. Not looking for analytical and sterile.
mattnshilp
I have to disagree about DSD converting PCM!
The player I just auditioned at home for five days, a Marantz SA-10 converts all PCM to DSD and then uses DSD to make the music unfold.
The Marantz uses a unique arrangement of DSD hardware.
And I have to say the music produced from CDs by the Marantz SA-10 is marvelous.
Even when imported via Toslink from a five disc CD player.
So much so I am buying one ($7000) and have it on order.

No way would I do this if the CDs sounded like SACDs usually do!!!
I own maybe five SACD. and 2500 CDs... I plan on using the SA-10 mainly to play CDs from a separate changer. LOL

As I previously mentioned I think SACD sound strange. And the fact is the CDs played back by the SA-10 sound like CDs, just more detail and a lot better treble

Very interesting, D’Agostino and SET tube amp would seem to occupy polar ends of the amplifier spectrum (topology and philosophically). What do they share in common for both to warrant your recommendation?

I can speak for my own modified SET amp.  Very fast and great bass control.  Same with D'agostino amps.  Some of the best I have heard at shows.

I am a fan of tube SET amps though and would not have SS for myself anymore.  Tubes are just more linear and less prone to temperature and dynamic effects.

Steve N.

Empirical Audio

There is something missing with DS when it has to convert PCM, it's not just an emptiness, but missing a bogie factor that gives excitement to the music, and a snap your head back slam, even though the DS measurements show better sn/dr figures.

I don't experience any of this with my D-S DAC.

These are more a result of poor digital filter and poor power delivery IME.

Steve N.

Empirical Audio

Steve N,
Thank you for your reply and I see the common ground of SET and the D’Agostino amplifiers. Speed and transparency as a shared trait. I find SET unsurpassed in terms of "naturalness ".

George it’s comments such as yours that prompted my DAC comparisons mentioned above regarding R2R vs delta sigma. I respect your perspectives but my direct listening did not match your assertions. IMHO either approach can yield superb results. I don’t hear the delta sigma limitations/flaws as you describe.

Steve N puts the blame on digital filtering and power delivery quality and this makes sense to me. This would cause effects  for both DS and R2R for better or worse dependant of level of implementation and execution.
Charles
Charlie Hansen also agrees. He disliked DSD personally.  He also knew how to filter properly.  George it's absolute statements like your's that turn many off. 

Many of us listen to all designs and products and we use our ears.  There are great designs on both sides.  The way you post, you are saying that any R2R design sounds better than any DAC that is D/S.  Teh only absolute in the discussion is that you are plain wrong.  No one is dismissing the R2R being able to sound world class.  

How about speakers George?  Are you going to tell us a certain crossover design being better than another?  Again, totally subjective.  

As Charles and nearly anyone else who has any audio sense will say, it's all about implementation.  If you disagree with that, then you lose any credibility with most folks I would think.  Your constant R2R gets old.  Very dismissive of even a designer like Steve who most of use feel makes one of the best DAC's available.  I've owned and loved his DAC that was R2R and have been told by many I trust that his new DS DAC is a lot better.  One designer, builds one of each and implants them both in an outstanding manor.  He chose DS for his top design.  I realize you will dismiss him by staying on your R2R platform, but that's not cool as he's ever said that R2R can't make a great DAC.