Muffled vocals


I have positioned my speakers every way imaginable and I just can't get the vocals the way I want. They're centered, but they seem like they're in the background.  I want them more up front.  I've tried various toeing methods and room treatment but they still seem a little muffled.  My equipment: Lyngdorf TDAI-2200 integrated, Marantz CD6006, Tyler Acoustics D-20, Anti-Cables, Audioquest digital cable.  I know the recording can have a lot to do with it, but Steely Dan's Aja is known for the recording quality and Donald Fagen is in the back.  My terminology no doubt betrays my lack of sophistication when it come to audio, but I know something's not right.  Any suggestions?
cal91
In my experience, all things equal, the CDPs in general don’t contribute as much to the soundstage - detail and resolution yes but not soundstage. Magnepans in general tend to exaggerate instrument and vocal/singer size and dimensions so they are a poor baseline/reference. Assuming your room correction is off, try pulling the speakers more into the room and see if that helps. Also, try live recordings like Stacy Kent, Madeleine Peyroux, etc., where the singer(s) tend to stand further out front on the stage and see how they sound. In my experience, what you’re describing is a characteristic of speaker, type of content, and/or room placement and not the quality of the source.
For vocal reproduction quality is 99% is speaker itself'
You can try to change wires , room correction , source ,
etc but this is waste of time
Just had an ex industry friend help me set up a pair of speakers yesterday. They are ported, 3 driver floor standers in a large room. We started them close to the wall (14” away) put down some blue tape, made 1” lines and started moving them forward. We move them about 4” at a time. The speakers had no toe in and we kept moving them more and more forward listening to the same track for 25 seconds. We consistently found the closer to the wall the more the Vocals were muffled. Changed the track, did it again to confirm distance away from the wall. Then we did the toe in, 25 seconds, move, verify.

I’d say zero everything out, get some blue tape and try the above. It helped having a second person for a saniety check and to move speakers while the other listened. Once you get very close then run your room tune.

My source is a bluesound vault 2, MQA files via Tidal feed by blue jeans coax at 192. We could hear a huge difference (bad) when they were too close to the wall for my room and those speakers. Would my system benifit from a difference source or cables, sure, how much, who knows?

Best of luck.
kenscott@
  nobody, but for my point of view , as speaker designer , is very, very  small
no more 5%