Jazz for aficionados

Pryso, thanks for Monk’s “Dinah”. I hadn’t listened to that record for some time eventhough it’s a favorite, I love Monk’s “stride” playing ; great left hand.

I’m sure you know that your clip is actually Take 2 from the session. The reissue which I have includes alternate takes of some of the tunes. I always find it interesting how and why an artist may decide which “take” to put on the record. This example is interesting in that Take 1, which was not chosen for the original release, is actually a technically cleaner version. Monk was not known for the kind of flawless technique that other players have and sometimes one hears some “flubbing” of phrases as in Take 2. However, Take 2 sounds more “Monkish”; a little more percussive with even more of his quirky time feel and more accentuating of those great and unexpected dissonances from his right hand. Take 1 also sounds a little be-bopish toward the end; obviously not what Monk (or the producer) wanted. Some folks don’t like alternate takes on records. I think they are fascinating.

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Which version would other aficionados have chosen?

pjw
I liked the vid with Tai playing with H Hancock. I thought she fit into the group context well. A nice funk bass she laid down. The music reminded me of Herbie's 70's Headhunters/ Thrust groups. Herbies solo was amazing as always. I don't know credentials of the poster who complained about her but maybe he is a pro musician. If so Like frogman, musicians hear differently than us non-musicians and can be more critical I guess.
You recently posted L Willis . Are you familiar with his output on Mapleshade records.He cut a lot of good sessions with them. I can post if found on youtube.

Alex, jazz is the only music that springs from the heart and soul into the realm of the living where we can hear it. Jazz as you and I know it, is an expression of the emotions, the life and experiences of African Americans in the cities of the United States of America, as they went through the daily struggles required to survive.

While that most certainly is not the complete picture, it is the essence of the music. Bobby Timmons captures the core of what I'm talking about in his music, which is why it was so popular when presented, and is still recorded by many artists. "Moanin", "This Here" and "Dat Dere" were on juke boxes in the 60's, and still remains popular.

Of course it's possible "intellectually" to produce good jazz, but regardless how good it sounds, it lacks "soul"; that's a word which starts arguments, but the arguments are raised by those who are lacking that missing ingredient which can not be acquired.

The reason so many artists record "Moanin" is because when you hear the music, you can feel the emotion of the story behind it.


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv9NSR-2DwM


My favorite version with Bobby and the Messengers; Lee Morgan blows his a-- off; this is the ultimate version, Benny Golson never sounded better.

While there is a ton of good jazz in my collection that lacks "soul", it  is still what projects the most intense human emotions.

frogman,

What is your opinion on my top 3 favorite guitarists up thread (last page)?....  Sorry but I don't agree with adult (sophisticated/hard to play?) and simple minded (4/4?) music. I like what I like. 

In the late 70's a friend told me I should trash all my Black Sabbath LP's (not!) because they were "simple....."

Black Sabbath, as I found out much later, created a totally new and original genre of music because they were not afraid to do what they wanted to do. Led Zeppelin, always the most "popular" and "adult" rock band, I found out later that many of their "hit songs" were just covers of old American legendary blues musicians (Willie Dixon as one) that they put their own twist on it.

4/4...I love James Brown!   9/11... I love Dave Brubeck!

"Sophisticated" and "adult" music don't mean anything to me. 

I started listening to jazz later in life and I love it. All kinds. Does that mean I have "evolved mentally" and should disregard my rock music?!?.... never.

Jimi Hendrix, King Crimson, Frank Zappa, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd, ect., I should now consider "below me" because I like jazz?!?

My children (adults now 32 and 28) listen to hip hop (yuk) but its all good. I took them to see Kenny Garrett at the Blue Note and they loved it!

What I like I like. What others like they like (whether I like it does not matter - should it?).

If I were so opinionated and closed minded I would end up like rok2id and that's not gonna happen while I am still breathing. 
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pjwI also bought the Byrd's live album a long time ago just for the "Eight Miles High" cut. I had read about the modal influence in a McGuinn interview .Here's another version wgere sax player sounds very Coltranish IMO.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a4vPRkMWxrw