Turntable got absolutely crushed by CD


Long story short, i've just brought home a VPI classic 1 mounted with a Zu-Denon DL103 on JMW Memorial 10.5 with the appropriate heavier counterweight. Had everything dialed in..perfect azimuth, VTF, overhang, with only a slightly higher than perfect VTA. Levelling checked. All good. 

I did a comparison between the VPI and my Esoteric X03SE and it's not even close. The Esoteric completely crushes the VPI in all regards. The level of treble refinement, air, decay, soundstage depth and width, seperation, tonality, overall coherence is just a simply a league above from what I'm hearing from the VPI. The only area the VPI seems to be better at is bass weight, but not by much. 

I'm honestly quite dumbfounded here. I've always believed that analogue should be superior to digital. I know the Esoteric is a much pricier item but the VPI classic is supposed to be a very good turntable and shouldn't be a slouch either. At this point I feel like I should give up on analogue playback and invest further in digital. 

Has anyone had a similar experience comparing the best of digital to a very good analogue setup?

Equipment:
Esoteric X03SE 
VPI Classic, JMW Memorial 10.5, Zu-DL103
Accuphase C200L
Accuphase P600
AR 90 speakers

Test Record/CD:
Sarah McLachlan - Surfacing (Redbook vs MOV 180g reissue)



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Not so fast on doing a comparison. When I first got a TOTL sacd player this summer I thought it was going to slay my TT when I first heard it. I was impressed at first by the clean digital signal. Kinda like being blown away when u heard your first CD player especially if your TT was under par. After awhile I noticed that clean digital signal was not so clean on a lot of CDs. There was distortion jitter call it what you like. Some CDs are better engineered and will beat analog but on others that colored but warm analog sound is hard to beat.
I own the same SACD player as blueranger. I have to say it is really great.
(My analog main TT is a Kuzma Stabi Stogi S with a Dynavector 17D3)
I would say any problem is in the original album mastering. same as on LPs Try to listen to original Laura Nyro LP on a high end system. try. The mastering is terrible. If you have an average system, not nearly as problematic.
One thing having the Marantz SA-10 has given me, now I can really hear the differences way better in CD mastering than any time prior.For example, I used to really enjoy Tori Amos CDs.. Now with the SA-10 I can hear more, how the producers buried her voice in the mix and added some kind of fake quasi reverb to her voice, which just is terrible to put up with. Worse with some more than others of hers. But they all have it. Compare to Ani DiFranco recordings... clear, beautiful and perfect.
The beauty and curse of high end.
I'm going to offer this for comparison:

The MoFi 45lp release of Dire Straits "Brothers in Arms" against both a Tidal streaming and a reissued cd version. 

Analog: VPI HW-19 Mk 4 with a Hana SH through a basic Lehmann Black Cube phono. 

Digital: Tidal lossless FLAC through an Oppo 105 and AcousticZen XLR's through the Pathos Classic One. 

That 45 pressing completely outsized any digital version. 

Some digital Versions are better than their analog counterparts, especially with a poorly pressed vinyl version. But I tend to research the best pressed vinyl version of a release and they almost always sound more complete and the digital version. 

And, then again, some inferior pressed versions of LPs can sound absolutely horrible. Like, I played REM's LP of Life's Rich Pageant, and that just sounded awful through the system. but the streaming version through TIDAL sounded incredible.
Yep, back in the day, we used to say "garbage in, garbage out".   Today, we have not only that but we also have far better equipment to hear that garbage.  
Right you are, simao. Except I would add, its not just the pressing. The MoFi Dire Straits 45 is an awful pressing. Mine skips on Walk of Life, there are pops and crackles everywhere, and the whole pressing is just depressingly noisy across all sides. Its so bad I called Acoustic Sounds and said this is the worst MoFi ever! They agreed! Set a record for returns! And yet, even so, the sound that is there is so glorious that when they said they can refund but not exchange as there are none to exchange it for I said, well then I'll keep it!

So its not just the pressing. Another example. I have a really nice reissue of Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon. Pulled it out recently. Looks and plays like new. Quiet as can be. Perfectly fine pressing. Could hardly stand it. Awful detail, congested, harsh, glaring, pretty much crap. Pulled out one of my old MoFi's from back in the 70's, probably played 40 times by now. Ahhh, sweet, pure, natural, clear, that's the ticket! 

The MoFi is of course famously made from an Original Master Recording, and comes with a two page insert documenting all the obsessive steps taken to preserve fidelity in the process. My hunch is the reissue was made from gawd knows what source tape, knocked off on whatever gear was cheap, by whoever was available, so that by the time it got to the final step in the process it really doesn't matter what vinyl they use or how its pressed. The recording was an abortion from the get-go.

I think something like that happened on the LP of The New Basement Tapes. They messed that one up so much it sounds better on YouTube.

Comparing apples to apples recording quality wise its no contest. Even the crappiest MoFi ever crushes any digital version.