JMW9 setup tracking problems... need help


Hi,
After almost 20 years I decided to return to analog. Looking for a good TT, found here in Audiogon a VPI Super scoutmaster with JMW9 arm in perfect condition and decide to buy it. I follow all the setup procedure: first level the turntable; then lower to arm until is parallel with the plate (to get that I had to lower the arm up to its lowest point); use an arm load meter to set up the traking force(I use a Denon 103R cartridge at 2.88g; little bit high of its higher set up of 2.8g); and rotate the counterweight to get perfect lateral balance; and finally I use the alignment jig to setup the perfect placement of the cartridge in the headshell. Everything looks OK but each time that I try to play a record the stylus runs across the vinyl and jumps half a song or more and sounds are sometimes (not always) intermitent. In inner grooves stylus track better b ut not perfect.
Maybe this is a silly question but dont know what else to try (I recheck everyhting and all looks ok) and VPI is not open until the 7th and will love to spend this holidays enjoying this grate TT. Thanks in advance
jorsan
Jorsan, I am aware of the recommendation, but you realize that VPI's recommendation is to use the cartridge outside of the cartridge manufacturer's recommended range. Let's look at this advice for a second. At first, it seems quite benign, you are only using the cartridge .1 gram over the maximum. I believe that this translates to only 3.6% over the maximum recommendation or 14.3% above the recommended force of 2.5 grams. Of course, there are obvious consequences to increasing tracking force, diminished stylus life, increased record wear and accelerated wear of the suspension. And I have no doubt, that these increases may be moderate in the context of a properly aligned system. Then again, by going past the manufacturer's recommendation you may be moving the coil out of the linear part of the magnetic gap. So, in addition to putting added stress on the mechanical damping system, you may no longer have optimal electro-magnetic damping of the moving system, as well. What other precision products would you use outside of the maximum recommendation from the manufacturer?

Personal experience using unipivot arms - and I hasten to add, not the JMW - that have no anti-skate - the Grace 704 and 714 as well as messing around with two other unipivots that I have owned, the Morch UP-4 and Audiocraft (Ultracraft) AC-300, without anti-skate, I can tell you that there is no need to increase tracking force to properly track highly modulated inner grooves without bias compensation. At least if the arm is correctly designed, and the effective mass and compliance are correctly managed.

There also seems to be some confusion about what constitues low, or high, effective mass in a tonearm. The JMW is in the range of 9 grams effective mass, without the auxilliary weight, which puts it within a hair of the Rega RB-300 as far as effective mass is concerned. Call it low, call it high, but it is much lower than the broadcast arms that the 103 was designed for, which generally exceeded 20 grams of effective mass. And, as a previous poster pointed out, the 5cu spec that Denon publishes is non-standard and implies that the compliance is lower than it actually is, but even at 12cu, this is a very low compliance cartridge. Denon even made a consumer version of the cartridge, the 103D, to address just this issue. It is considerably higher in complinace than the 103 and still is not a particularly good match to arms in the 9 gram range. The Zu 103 is specifically designed on the RB-300, which is why they add so much mass, in addition to the increase in rigidity. The TWL mod is a simiar attempt to increase arm mass to match lower compliance cartridges.

In the end, it comes down to a matter of how each of us hears. I purchased a Denon 103D new in the 1970s and a 103 sometime thereafter. I have used them in over twenty arms, and my personal observational experience is that they will track in pretty much anything, but they will not begin to sound their best until you are over 14 grams of effective mass, and they will not produce the full color that they are capable of until they are used in arms over 21 grams of effective mass. Your mileage may vary, and probably will. Again, if it sounds good to you, then it is good.
Thanks Viridian for that long, clear, and logic explanation and of course will try your advice. In the case of this specific arm, what cartridge do you consider can shows its best? maybe I can try it and compare.
How about not switching the arm, and just trying to increase mass to see if anything that I suggest holds any water, at all, for you? Search the forums here by putting in "TWL mod". This is a free, and reversable, mod that adds mass to the moving system, quite a bit actually. It takes a bit of messing around to get it right, but hey, I like "free" and "reversable". As another poster suggested, you already have the auxilliary weight, why not do a little comparison using this as well? The problem with analog, is that all of these things take so much time and patience. In digital land, you can just buy a new CD player. But, if you can devote a bit of time to optimizing your LP setup, you may really reap rewards. Also, search the web for Uwe cartridge bodies. Uwe makes a Panzerholz wood body that the Denon generator slips into that makes it more massive and more rigid. I believe that it costs less than $150.00. You may research it a bit.

Harry W. recommends Dynavector cartridges for use with the JMW-9 arms. The excellent 20XL has a really different sound than the Denon, but is completely competitive. But why switch if you are happy? Again, you are the arbiter of the goodness of the system. Not me, not the slide rule, and not Harry. Enjoy!
Veridian-

Nice response-analytical backed with experience. Though I've not tried the dl-103 series on 20 (!) arms, I do have some experience. I've got a couple of DL-103Rs, a DL-103, a 103r with VdH Type 1 cantilever and stylus, and a Zu 103r. My arms include a JMW 12.5, SME 3012, SME M2-12, SAEC WE-308, SAEC WE-317, Rega RB-300, and a couple of others. I agree that a higher-mass arm (I'm a fan of 12" models) are more conducive to the compliance characteristics of the 103-series, but even so my past experience with the JMW-9, with added weight, was very satisfying. Maybe not the absolute best that can be wrung out of that cart, but still-very good. Were I the OP, I'd enjoy the 103r through it's effective stylus life, and then try a re-tip with a more compliant cant. Were he willing to spend a bit more money, the Dynavector DV-20lo is a nice(er) match to that arm.

BTW, agree absolutely with your note vis-a-vis the VTF/AS relationship. I think the OP had advice that, at best, was well meaning but derived from a calculator, not real-world experience. As I said, I'd drop the VTF down to 2.5.
Note to Veridian-
My post above was written referencing your post *before* your one above this one-take that into account when reviewing context. Looks like we're pretty much in agreement.