Anyone hear technics tt and vpi scoutmaster/Aries?


Anyone hear later version technics tt as well as vpi scoutmaster or Aries and maybe Nottingham spacedeck with latest ace space arm.

I have technics tt latest version with Benz ace cartridge and use for rock or soul or blues only and like it's bass slam. I prefer jazz on cd. I have dartzeel preamp and amp and wonder if vpi or spacedeck is worth the minimum 3k cost

Advantage of latest vpi scoutmaster versus spacedeck
radioheadokplayer
9-28-08: Audiofeil
It is a very nice turntable.

A step or two above entry level.
Audiofeil, I appreciate your objectivity on this. So much of the audiophile press and discussion pages dismiss the Technics SL12x0 series as DJ trash. It is not. Is is, as you say, "a very nice turntable." At $500-700 it delivers fair value with some strengths (speed consistency) and weaknesses (feedback and vibration control). It is easily competitive with the $400-700 belt drive 'tables from Music Hall, Pro-Ject, and even Rega.

The aftermarket tweaks for the Technics extract more performance at fair value for their cost. The Technics' wow, flutter, and rumble figures are in the ballpark of a $4K turntable, but that doesn't mean the entire package is competitive at that price point, especially with vendors like Galibier who can keep prices lower via internet-based mail order (a la Outlaw, AV123, etc.).
Tvad,

I own the evolution mm2 speakers which are sooo much better than the wilson wp7. The speakers are pretty popular but if you are really interested I could try to persuade Jonathan Tinn one of the evolution guys to give you a much better price than msrp

Johnnyb,

Maplethread m6 better than the Kab isonoe? What does the kab grip do?

No way wife will greenlight pricey vpi but could buy used scoutmaster or Aries and upgrade over time....just not sure if vpi without upgraded tonearm and platter will sound much better than technics in which case may prefer to hold on to technics until next year or yearafter and buy the vpi with the better arm platter ads blah blah blah
Johnnyb,

Maplethread m6 better than the Kab isonoe? What does the kab grip do?
Unfortunately, none of the Technics enthusiasts here
have come up with a comparison test of the Threaded Heavyfeet vs. the
Isonoe footers. Based on my experience with hard cones and soft isolators, I
get the sense that the Isonoes are for keeping room vibration and feedback
out of the turntable, whereas the cones are for draining the turntable's
inherent vibrations into the platform block. OTOH, I suspect that the Isonoes
would also drain off and dissipate vibration from the turntable as well.

A look at Isonoe's website indicates that their primary market for their footers
appears to be for the dance club market to help keep vibrations from a
thumping, bumping room from feeding back through the cartridge. Their
own tests seem to indicate that the footers alone attenuate feedback by
1.5dB, but the footers plus the sorbothane boots increase the attenuation to
3dB. They point out that while that may not sound like much, it enables you
to double your power output into the room before getting the same level of
feedback you had before without them.

There is one A-goner who uses the Isonoes and is really happy with them
over the stock feet. Others of us use either the Mapleshades or the threaded
Dayton brass speaker cones from PartsExpress for a lot less money ($21), and
presumably, a lower level of performance compared to the Mapleshades.

I use the butcher block supported by silicon gel to isolate the turntable from
the room.

I'm guessing here, but I suspect the brass cones give sharper note-by-note
delineation, a more forward midrange, and clear assertive bass. I *think* the
Isonoes would add a softer sort of clarity and a more relaxed presentation.

Here's a thought: I think both vendors offer a 30-day evaluation period, and
return shipping would be very cheap. You could try both and decide which
does it better for you--or isn't worth it. The Isonoes may need a little break-
in for the elastomer to settle into place; the Mapleshades shouldn't need
break-in at all.

Here's a very short evaluation
of the Isonoes in a post on Vinyl Asylum:
http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?
forum=vinyl&n=534924&highlight=isonoe+Merle&r=&session=

I think there are other reviews and testimonies at kabusa.com.

I've found that the KAB record grip seems to lower surface noise a bit, and
makes records of different weights sound more similar by damping whatever
mass-related resonance there might be.