Nude Turntable Project


I could not fit the whole story in this Forum so have had to add it to my System Page.
I am attempting to hear if a 'naked' DD turntable can sound as good as Raul claims.
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NUDE TT81
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Dear Thuchan,
What about a silver metal surrounding with nice looking slits for the ventilation, like in a helmet (many small slits)?
This is not the look that I'm after.
A silver metal surround would hide the elegant stainless steel cradle which I have had built at some cost.
It would also dominate the turntable 'bulk' which is quite the opposite of what I now have?
If I really wanted to have a silver 'screen'.....I could just have had the black cage sprayed silver? :-)
Dear Lewm. That's a similar advise I gave to you time ago for your DP-80, remember?

I did it for my Denons DP-75/80, differences with the pictured ones were:

instead of metal " plinth " I used a 40Kg base of green marble and the other in beige Onyx ( both beautifull stones. ).The stone bases were seated on the pneumatic AT-616 and the stone base was used as tonearm board too ( no stand alone arm bases. ).

Now the Denon's were seated, through the TT top ring, in three very small delrin tip-toes like a top the stone bases.

IMHO damping is very important for this kind of set up and that's why I don't use it metal tip toes but delrin ones and pneumatic footers that were the set up foundation.

Works and looks amazing!

Maybe in the future I can try again because I have the marble/onyx bases, beautiful ones.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.
I only suggest it would be interesting to listen to Halcro's TT101 with vs without the rubber isolators (or whatever they may be made of). Of course, Halcro has to do the dirty work, so it is easy for me to suggest it from 10,000 miles away.

And the reason I bring it up is that Garrard guys remove the stock rubber surround between the 301 chassis and its plinth, whatever the plinth material. They say that the insertion of the rubber between the chassis and the plinth impedes the capacity of the plinth to soak up motor vibrations, and indeed it makes a lot of sense that that would be so. In a DD, any tendency for servo action to cause relative motion of the chassis vs the platter must be countered, so the same principle applies.

Gosh, the TT101 is quite smooth and quiet. Just looking at it in operation, it HAS to sound great. Love those coreless motors.
Well one can dispute the difference between 'nacked' and 'nude' as any (?) semantic question..endless. To my mind however it is a cultural question. In some Arabic countries even a 'bare foot' is considerd as 'nudity' and if the owner of the foot is a women she will be called a hooker. Some other countries have something against the 'bare knees', etc. I am surprised to see that Assies have such a limited opinion of what an plinth in general should be and which TT's should be considered as 'nacked' and which as 'nude'. Regarding our own Aussie Lew already stated that the pretended 'nudity' should be dismised because there is a plinth according to him. I even see two of those steel rings (aka plinths)connected to each other with the biggest spiks I have ever seen in my life. But, as already mentioned, the question is a cultural one while nobody knows, nor can know, where all those Assies come from and with which culture behind them.
I think the word "hooker" comes from the USA. During the Civil War era, (1860s) there were prostitutes that followed the army of General Hooker, an officer of the Northern cause. Somehow, these ladies came to be known as hookers. I wonder whether General Hooker was ever aware of how his name lives on and why. Thus, if the Arabic countries use the word "hooker", I would be surprised and a little sad.

Halcro, I do not think you would hear any noise from the tt due to the lack OR the presence of an RFI shield. If the outer cage is a shield, it may as well be shielding the neighboring equipment from RFI emanating from the TT101 as vice-versa. RFI going in to the TT electronics from an external source might hypothetically affect function, but there would be no noise per se. I really doubt there is anything to worry about. By the way, based on my sample, dust gets in through the slits in the outer cage anyway; dust accumulation may not be any worse without it.

On the issue of rubber or similar isolators, John Nantais, a well known builder mainly of plinths for Lenco, also eschews the use of any such devices and for the reasons I gave above. On the other hand, he is building huge complex plinths specifically to enhance the performance of an idler, which has problems different to those of a DD table. And your "plinth" is minimalist and for a DD that has especially low amounts of motor energy that needs to be dissipated.

The EMT927 has a huge motor, a heavy platter with a high moment of inertia, and a built-in suspension. How does that work? Is the suspension built so as to resist twisting in the horizontal plane?