Kuzma Four Point compared to SME V-12 tonearm


Interested to learn who has heard either the SME V-12 or Kuzma Four Point arms, and with what related equipment.
I'm familiar with M.Fremer's review of the Kuzma.
I want to upgrade my Technics SP10 MkII table from the very nice Acos Lustre ST-801, and have a new Micro Benz LP-S cartridge. The two arms I am considering are the SME V-12 and Kuzma's Four Point.
My audio buddy has the V-12 and I am quite familiar with it, but his system is solid state where mine is hybrid, his cartridge is beyond my means, and his speakers, though wonderful, are monitors where mine are full range with subs.
I look forward to learning what *experience* others have had.
Thanks very much in advance for your assistance.

Best, David
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I ought to have mentioned, for several reasons, that I've had considerable listening time with Both SME V-spec arms, the 9" and the 12. The difference is Very Pronounced. This is direct experience with at least 200 hours' listening.

From another pretty reliable source I've heard comparison of the 312-S and V-12; if their report is as trustworthy as I suspect, there is no comparison between the arms, just as there is very little shared between the V-9 and V-12. The SME V-12 arm, properly set up --which takes some time, patience and developing expertise-- gives some of the finest playback I've heard, ever.

I don't consider myself a well-seasoned audiophile, but I'm not new on the block either, just not as familiar with analog as I would like to be.

It's largely MFremer's review placing the Kuzma 4PT above the Cobra on his Caliburn TT that has me wondering.

To place things in perspective, I listened last night to a range of familiar source material with the SME V-12 and found myself referring to Fremer's review and the viewpoint of one of the above-mentioned listeners. Essentially they say the Kuzma 4PT is more 'lively' than the SME V-12. When I listened last night I asked whether anything more 'lively' sounding could possibly be other than exaggeration, as the SME V-12 was so solid, so credible, so well balanced, feeling accurate both timbrally and in wealth of textural detail. It tamed the sibilance on 'April in Paris', gave better depth and color to the skins, more air to the cymbals on the Sheffield Drum Track while still representing the flaw of the recording, namely that the drum kit sounds almost twice life size (ie: gives more of the good stuff without lying about the liabilities). How could something be more real?

Is this one of those occasions when I just have to spend $6K to find out?

That's why I'm asking.

Thanks again for your thoughts.
You should try to check the new Simplicity from Thales (Swiss Co.)

I was reviewing it for Hifilive e-magazine and I am liking soooooo much
I am interested in this also, the SME , Kuzma, AND the Thales are on my radar..
4points and Simplicity are these days two of the best choices available at any price
I've heard the 4PT at several shows-- with performance varying from average to superb. The best so far was as personally set up and demoed by Franc Kuzma at CES. He demoed the 4PT on a redesigned Stabi Reference table. The TT now has a belt-driven single DC motor with enough torque to get the LP to full speed in one revolution. This lets you queue up a stationary record, sit down on the couch, and start play via remote control. A very convincing demo.

BTW he mentioned that the Airline still surpasses the 4PT.