Pabelson, you added greatly to my historic understanding of double blind testing. Can you please give citations for the instances where same/different tests yield differences? I think something is fundamentally wrong with the research design unless there are such instances, including just single run throughs of the signal.
I am quite uncomfortable with the idea that finding a single person who can hear differences 15 out of 20 times would be convincing. I do not know how you can set a level here. Why 15 out of 20?
All of the instances were I participated in same/different db testings were too quick and there is too high a probability of the respondent guessing. I also felt that the testing was unrealistic of the listening experience. By contrast the A, B, C etc. comparison using double blind was more analogous to the listening experience. As I said, because of this, I would be interested in such testings. Here I would again suggest the hypothesis that could be tested as to whether there were differences among those with long experience in working with music.
Advancing the field. Yes, that would be nice. I have seen quality components, IMHO, be ignored because of name brand manufactures cache. I have little question that the field has advanced greatly during the 40 years that I have been involved, especially digital. Someone has suggested that manufacturers use double blind testing all the time, but in my experience, they do not. There is also the voicing of components by such notable designers as Kondo, etc. I presently am overwhelmed by the Shindo Labs 301 turntable. All of this is without the aid of double blind testing.
I have no doubt that some proponents of dbt are sincere as I am sure that the overwhelming number of instances where the small sample are unable to hear a difference leads some to embrase db because it fits their preconceived judgments, especially if they cannot afford more expensive gear.
I also still say that reviews would be very curious with dbt. Would you start with 100 amps being compared and then each month add another? Would anyone buy such a magazine or use it for judging what they will buy? Would manufacturers concede that product D is indeed better and withdraw their amps?
I am quite uncomfortable with the idea that finding a single person who can hear differences 15 out of 20 times would be convincing. I do not know how you can set a level here. Why 15 out of 20?
All of the instances were I participated in same/different db testings were too quick and there is too high a probability of the respondent guessing. I also felt that the testing was unrealistic of the listening experience. By contrast the A, B, C etc. comparison using double blind was more analogous to the listening experience. As I said, because of this, I would be interested in such testings. Here I would again suggest the hypothesis that could be tested as to whether there were differences among those with long experience in working with music.
Advancing the field. Yes, that would be nice. I have seen quality components, IMHO, be ignored because of name brand manufactures cache. I have little question that the field has advanced greatly during the 40 years that I have been involved, especially digital. Someone has suggested that manufacturers use double blind testing all the time, but in my experience, they do not. There is also the voicing of components by such notable designers as Kondo, etc. I presently am overwhelmed by the Shindo Labs 301 turntable. All of this is without the aid of double blind testing.
I have no doubt that some proponents of dbt are sincere as I am sure that the overwhelming number of instances where the small sample are unable to hear a difference leads some to embrase db because it fits their preconceived judgments, especially if they cannot afford more expensive gear.
I also still say that reviews would be very curious with dbt. Would you start with 100 amps being compared and then each month add another? Would anyone buy such a magazine or use it for judging what they will buy? Would manufacturers concede that product D is indeed better and withdraw their amps?

