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Monst5000 power thingy AFTER Adcom ACE:

Goa a Monster powerline5000 conditioner and was playing around and discovered that the SOUND was really way better with the Monster plugged into the Adcom (the Adcom plugged in the wall, the monster in the Adcom and all else in the Monster. SWEET sounds!!! much better than Monster alone! The only flaw is the BASS sems a bit softer.... (the Amp [a Forte' 4] plugged in the Adcom too, leaves the bass more intact) But I live in an apartment and that is a small price to pay for such glorious sound. Smooth and totally grain free. Clarity! The only other complaint I have is the AC sockets in the back of the Monster are typical $0.29 bargin basement trash. AC plugs almost fall out if they are a bit heavy. I plan on replacing them! Anyone with any comments on my ? "Rube Goldberg" setup??
elizabeth
sugarbrie
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Yes Elizabeth I believe you are correct. (Mike) Vansevers makes a "Jr" conditioner with one AC outlet for issolating one component. Mike is now also saying they can be used between the wall plug and a budget conditioner exactly as you are doing, and this will improve the performance of the system. See Vansevers.com I personally do not care for the Adcom ACE-515. When I tried one out in various configurations and systems, the noise floor was worse with the Adcom than no conditioner at all. Good conditioners less than $350 list are made by Audio Power and Chang. The Monster I have connected to my TV works fine. The picture and colors are sharper with it.
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megasam
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Liz, My tests with Monsters are that HTS2000 does indeed slightly improve sound, as Robt Harley from AS claims, but higher up units actually degrade the sound for audio only systems. My test was with HTS3500 with stage 3 filtering and was worse sounding than HTS2000, fine detail was removed to my hearing, softer more opaque sound that was less dynamic. I personally would not connect two cheap line conditioners together in series, would almost certainly result in degraded sound.
sugarbrie
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I agree with Megasam. Two cheap conditioners is probably worse. The Vansevers "Jr" is $250 to $300 for a one outlet unit, so this is the same quality as expensive multi-outlet unit. Vansevers also makes a power amp conditioner call "The Unlimiter". I have not tried on, but as the name implies, it is designed to clean the AC, but not limit power or dynamics. He has lots of testimonials on his web site from recording studios and professional musicians, so I would assume they work. I have a Vanevers reference conditioner on my system and the noise floor reduction is a lot. The model has switches on the back to help tweek the current for your system.
sugarbrie
3,854 posts
 
Oh, I do want the try the PS Audio some day.
sedond
1,314 posts
 
anyone have any experience w/the vansevers unlimiter? i've heard of this, but not heard any user coments. i'd be interested in protecting my amps w/o degrading their sound-quality - they *do* sound good plugged straight into the wall... also, what's the retail price? i guess i will have to check out the testimonials on the www...

thanks, doug

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