Vinyl Cleaning Fluid for VPI RCM

4yanx, I stated "I RESEARCHED THE INGREDIENTS AND ONE OF THEM IS ALSO FOUND IN WOMEN'S HAND LOTION." You said"As to the claim of “hand lotion ingredients”, I think you should provide some solid proof in evidence. “I researched it” proves nothing to me."I’d be nearly willing to wager my system that “hand lotion ingredients” are not part of the formula."

Well I proved it.Here is the quote from RRL website-"Trisodium EDTA is added to the surfactant as a preservative." So I would say that you have the egg on your face and when will you be shipping me your system.

http://www.musicalsurroundings.com/rrl.html

Rackdoctor, I don't see what difference this makes. Can you tell me what Trisodium EDTA is and what it is supposed to do to my records? To my ears it has only improved the sound I get from my vinyl. RRL says that they add it as a preservative. I'm assuming that is to keep mold and perhaps bacteria from growing in the stuff while it sits on the shelf. I'm also pretty sure that both RRL and hand cream share another chemical, that would be water. But I don't see the reasoning that if both contain a certain compound then it automatically can't be good for vinyl cleaning.

I don't know what you and your dealer did/heard/saw/smelled/whatever, but I do know that RRL record cleaning products have worked extremely well for me and the overwhelming majority of people who have tried it. Perhaps Torumat is even better than RRL, I don't kow 'cause I've never tried it.

But I will tell you this, you can't build a market for any product just based on trashing the competition. The responses you're getting here should explain why this doesn't work, especially in the case of RRL that does have a very loyal customer base. Good luck to you.

Well said, Dan_ed.

I guess that a google search now equals "research" of a product. In my google search, I found the following results for trisodium EDTA ...

1)Trisodium EDTA: Powdered sodium salt. Used as a chelating agent

2)Trisodium EDTA (Universal Preserv-A-Chem)

And, Trisodium EDTA is used as an oral chelator/intestinal wall cleanser as found at this link http://www.branddiscountvitamins.com/colozone.htm I've taken a similar product to chelate the plaque on my arterial walls after too many cheeseburgers. This site claims that it is a colon cleanser, too, and helps remove undigested material and fecal matter deep in your bowels.

So, it appears that trisodium EDTA is used both as a preservative (as stated at the Musical Surroundings website) and as a chelator to remove toxins from your body.

Rackdoctor: Maybe you should drink RRL fluid, rather than shave with it, as it will displace some of the undigested material deep in your bowels? Just a thought. :)

They use trisodium EDTA to help reduce toxins in the body. Must be an effective cleanser? Hmmm.

Nice try,

Jack

EDTA's chemical name is ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid. Dow Chemical's brand name is Versene; there are a handful of other manufacturers. EDTA and its'salts (Disodium and Trisodium EDTA) are used extensively in the personal care, food, and water treatment industries. It's primary functions are that of preservation and chelation. Preservatives and chelating agents are chosen primarily on the ph range in which they function. For example carbonated beverages (check your can of Coke or Pepsi), because of their low ph, are preserved almost exclusively with sodium benzoate which is fucnctional only up to a ph of 4. Foods and personal care products with higher ph's use a variety of other chemical including potassium sorbate, EDTA, nitrates, propionates, etc.
EDTA is harmless and effective.

As you can see in my first post. I said that I heard a negative sonic difference using the RRL.I also mentioned that it contained a chemical that is found in hand lotion. I did not not say if that is right or wrong or a good or bad thing.I just thought that it was interesting.4yanx, challenged my statement as false and I backed up the fact that it contains that chemical.It comes down to this-the RRL did'nt work for me. The Torumat did. End of story.I am not trying to build a market for the Torumat and I did not "trash" the competion.I just stated two things-my experience with the RRL and a fact about one of the ingredients.You can take it anyway you want it.