Vinyl Cleaning Fluid for VPI RCM

Rackdoctor, I don't see what difference this makes. Can you tell me what Trisodium EDTA is and what it is supposed to do to my records? To my ears it has only improved the sound I get from my vinyl. RRL says that they add it as a preservative. I'm assuming that is to keep mold and perhaps bacteria from growing in the stuff while it sits on the shelf. I'm also pretty sure that both RRL and hand cream share another chemical, that would be water. But I don't see the reasoning that if both contain a certain compound then it automatically can't be good for vinyl cleaning.

I don't know what you and your dealer did/heard/saw/smelled/whatever, but I do know that RRL record cleaning products have worked extremely well for me and the overwhelming majority of people who have tried it. Perhaps Torumat is even better than RRL, I don't kow 'cause I've never tried it.

But I will tell you this, you can't build a market for any product just based on trashing the competition. The responses you're getting here should explain why this doesn't work, especially in the case of RRL that does have a very loyal customer base. Good luck to you.

Well said, Dan_ed.

I guess that a google search now equals "research" of a product. In my google search, I found the following results for trisodium EDTA ...

1)Trisodium EDTA: Powdered sodium salt. Used as a chelating agent

2)Trisodium EDTA (Universal Preserv-A-Chem)

And, Trisodium EDTA is used as an oral chelator/intestinal wall cleanser as found at this link http://www.branddiscountvitamins.com/colozone.htm I've taken a similar product to chelate the plaque on my arterial walls after too many cheeseburgers. This site claims that it is a colon cleanser, too, and helps remove undigested material and fecal matter deep in your bowels.

So, it appears that trisodium EDTA is used both as a preservative (as stated at the Musical Surroundings website) and as a chelator to remove toxins from your body.

Rackdoctor: Maybe you should drink RRL fluid, rather than shave with it, as it will displace some of the undigested material deep in your bowels? Just a thought. :)

They use trisodium EDTA to help reduce toxins in the body. Must be an effective cleanser? Hmmm.

Nice try,

Jack

EDTA's chemical name is ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid. Dow Chemical's brand name is Versene; there are a handful of other manufacturers. EDTA and its'salts (Disodium and Trisodium EDTA) are used extensively in the personal care, food, and water treatment industries. It's primary functions are that of preservation and chelation. Preservatives and chelating agents are chosen primarily on the ph range in which they function. For example carbonated beverages (check your can of Coke or Pepsi), because of their low ph, are preserved almost exclusively with sodium benzoate which is fucnctional only up to a ph of 4. Foods and personal care products with higher ph's use a variety of other chemical including potassium sorbate, EDTA, nitrates, propionates, etc.
EDTA is harmless and effective.

As you can see in my first post. I said that I heard a negative sonic difference using the RRL.I also mentioned that it contained a chemical that is found in hand lotion. I did not not say if that is right or wrong or a good or bad thing.I just thought that it was interesting.4yanx, challenged my statement as false and I backed up the fact that it contains that chemical.It comes down to this-the RRL did'nt work for me. The Torumat did. End of story.I am not trying to build a market for the Torumat and I did not "trash" the competion.I just stated two things-my experience with the RRL and a fact about one of the ingredients.You can take it anyway you want it.

OK, you win Rack, one of the ingredients found in the RRL fluids is one found in some personal care products. As pointed out by a few others since, it is also used in a variety of other applications for the same purpose. I had not seen the ingredient listed for RRL, as I had not read the product info on the Musical Surroundings site..which also says, among other things...

"Trisodium EDTA is added to the surfactant as a preservative, greatly reducing bacterial growth with no sonic signature. Carboglycinates are added as a vinyl lubricant, again chosen for its lack of sonic signature. Both compounds are vinyl and environmentally friendly."

What I find "interesting" is that RRL discloses ANY of its ingredients. Try asking the makers of nearly any commerically available fluids for any of their ingredients and see what you come up with. I spoke with Brian Weitzle on the phone a couple of times when I was researching fluids some time ago. Bottom line is that he spent a couple of years and several thousand dollars in research and development before ever making the stuff available. The very fact that Trisodium EDTA is mentioned specifically in product literature, in combination with the reports of countless happy users, leads me to believe that your mention of it as "interesting" because it is used on "women's hand lotion" is a red herring, at best, and misleading, as well.

If the product does not work for you, I doubt anyone has a problem with that, per se. I know that I really don't care what anyone else uses, as long as they're happy. And just as you give your opinion, don't be surprised if others note their opinion as opposite from yours.

However, your allusions in making the references you have are fairly plain to me, and to others who have posted since.

You can take it anyway you want it.

It seems some have done just that.