Are loudspeakers that different?


I never get to audition speakers since I have NO dealers near me. This week I was able to listen to Totem speakers while on a trip. I could not believe the difference compared to my Aerials!
The reason I posted this is I wanted some feedback - - I had been starting to get the impression that speakers were different but not strikingly so, like my impression of CD players. This audition changed my mind. Then I began wondering about the differences between modest costing speakers and expensive one (7k plus). Can anyone share their experiences with listening and comparing, who what where...?
Thanks...cause ultimately I thought I had shook the upgrade bug....

jimmy2615
Jimmy, Scott and Will are correct, in general, though I might disagree with them about the speakers they prefer,and probably disagree a lot about any notions of "synergy." Well-designed cd players and amps are not hard to find, and if well designed, will not differ by much. Just look at the measurements. The noise floor (distortion components mostly) of electronic components is much lower than that of speakers. Plus, the measured frequency response of almost all electronic components is fairly close to flat, whereas speakers tend to vary quite a bit.

There are hundreds and hundreds of speakers in the market, some of them very poorly designed, and there is not much correlation between price and quality. Look at John Atkinson's measurements of some very expensive speakers in the latest Stereophile and read between the lines of his comments. An "enigma" because they sound good to the reviewer but measure weird, means he doesnt know what his reviewer was smoking.

With respect, and fondness, I believe Craig is incorrect when he says that the big differences in speakers are at the frequency extremes. In fact, the big differences are in the midrange, except for really poor designs showing through in the upper bass (boom) and treble (excessive sibilance or lispiness).

In the $2500 retail price range, there are some very good speakers. I dont think it's necessary to spend any more than that for speakers, and there are some wonderful small speakers at lower price points (e.g., Harbeth HLP3ES's and Epos M12's - neither of which do I own). The Vandersteens are well received by consumers as well as reviewers, at very reasonable price points. At all price points, from $200 to $30k and above, there are some absolutely horrible speakers.

Audition as many speakers as you need to before you find a pair that you like. If they have been reviewed with measurements, take the measurements seriously. Finally, consider the effect of your room. Hard reflective surfaces, like low ceilings, nearby walls and coffee tables, will affect the frequency response at your listening position, regardless of which speakers you choose.

Paul
Couldn't agree more SdCampbell, the cartridge and speakers are the most variable, and crucial, elements in the audio equation. And Bishopwill, which killer speakers are you using, 'speakers-first' adherents really want to know!
Fatparrot, you are right on target. The contribution made by the room can make or break even the finest, most synergetic of combinations. That's why I argue that in-home audition is so vital, even if it means paying ghastly shipping charges or driving hundreds of miles. The pain and expense of arranging in-home auditions are as nothing compared to the pain of buying something that doesn't work in your space and not discovering that until too late to return the product.

Sdcampbell and Grandpad (BTW, is that "Grandpa D" as in I have really nice grandchildren or "Grand Pad" as in I have a really nice house?) also hit the nail on the head when they pointed out the sonic contribution of the phono cartridge. Your prelate gave up vinyl years ago but can still remember moving from a BIC giveaway turntable to an NAD "floppy arm" with a Shure V15. Wow! What a difference.

Happy listening. Do let us know what you decide.

will
Grandpad,

My HT system uses Paradigm Studio 100v2s as mains and I could not be happier with them for that purpose. Decried as they are for being "mass produced" few if any speakers at their various price points have garnered as many positive reviews from every corner of the audio spectrum as have Paradigms.

My 2-channel system uses JMLabs Utopias.

And you?

will
Oops! Let your prelate not be accused of exaggerating his system.

I use JMLabs MEZZO Utopias.

will