CLASSE - Great amps or highly flawed?


Some love them. Others criticize:

Highly colored.

Midrange nice, but euphonic & not accurate.

Highs rolled off, and given an electronic sheen.

Overall dark sound.

Imaging only so-so.

Lack transparency.

Textured sounding.

Bass somewhat lacking definition & loose.

What's your opinion??
kevziek
To characterize (good or bad) an entire product line - especially one as broad as Classe's - is just plain ignorant. That's not to say that there aren't similarities between a company's given products, but I think that has more to do with engineering philosophy and marketing strategy. Kevziek is WAY off-base when he says that all of their products are based on the same circuits....huh??
Pops was right on the money when he talked about product compatibility and synergy. Zaikesman's analysis and extrapolation of his experience with one of Classe's older and least expensive models is completely unfair. Apples and oranges...or perhaps Valves and FETs. Not only are the products dissimilar, but they're in a completely different price range. I know he meant well, but...
The bottom line is that companies build reputations based on the satisfaction of their customers (dealers and end-users alike). Additionally, there are some companies who, because of their reputation, tend to be scrutinized and criticized or develop great allegiances. For example; Krell and McIntosh are both excellent companies who produce products that people either "love" or "hate". But those who love them tend to be very loyal and those who hate them are unrelenting in their criticism. So it is to a lesser degree with Classe.
So where does my allegiance lie?? To whomever produces the product that best compliments my system. In this case, it happens to be Classe (DR 9), but if I were to, for example, purchase new speakers which require a more synergistic amp, perhaps it would be somebody else. I would have to take into consideration my budget (can't forget that), the power requirements of my speakers (solid state only, or tube-friendly) and then let my ears (and heart) do the rest.
Anyone who so thoroughly trashes a product line (such as the above) may have an agenda, but if not, then that perception remains nonetheless. I cannot really speak one way or the other regarding my very limited personal experience with only one of their products in my own home, but the numerous Classe demo's that I have heard at some of the shows were certainly most impressive. Granted that these demos were put together with some of their more esoteric offerings, but Will doesn't appear to have given them a fair shake IMO.
So are classe smaller amps like the 125W 2 channels amps worth it ?

cause they aren't cheap either..but if they beat every other SS in their price range then they must be good nah?
Here are some suggestion:
DR-3/3b or DR-3bVHC Pure class A
DR-9
If you still find it still expensive.Try DR-10
All the above models are old gears.But It's worthwhile to try.
Good luck.
Henry
Sound depends on the designer. The earlier Classe amps DR 8,9 and were designed by Dave Reich and were extremely musical amps but slightly dark sounding. The later 1990's Classe 10,15 and 25 were almost opaque sounding by comparison and even non-audiophile friends of mine said so in direct a-b comparison. The later 1997 version CA series ahd a diffirent sonic signature. Certainly not dark but appeared to emphasise the highs and seemned to have an electronic sheen( concur with martin collins on this). I have not heard the latest classe series but they are designed by a swiss designer who was responsible for the OMEGA series.