Holographic imaging


Hi folks, is the so called holographic imaging with many tube amplifiers an artifact? With solid state one only hears "holographic imaging" if that is in the recording, but with many tube amps you can hear it all the time. So solid state fails in this department? Or are those tube amps not telling the truth?

Chris
dazzdax
"09-26-08: Tvad
The realm of that which cannot be measured."

Yes - but it can be heard.

Roger
Yes - but it can be heard.

Roger
Roger_paul (Answers)
Terrific.

The explanation as to why is the issue at hand. Personally, because you admit you are working at theoretical levels and with processes that cannot be measured, I see no difference in your explanation for the H-Cat and those offered by purveyors of squiggly wooden sticks, crystal orbs, metallic offering bowls and jars of rocks.

The cause of the perceived effectiveness of these devices cannot be measured, and therefore it's left to Faith to explain why some users hear benefits.
Shadorne,

You are on the right track. The reason you can’t see it with a THD analyzer is because it is way too subtle to show up. If somehow you alter the gain/velocity by a factor of 2:1 double the velocity! Then your 1khz signal will shift up to 2khz. A full octave away! That is represented by the spike you see on a spectrum analyzer at the 2khz mark. The length of time it spends at this accelerated velocity will determine the size of the spike.

Now imagine a much smaller shift in velocity like 1:1.005
This will cause a 1khz tone to shift up to 1005 hz At this level it is a mere twinkle in the eye of “harmonic distortion” but is distortion nonetheless. In fact the worse case example (2:1 above) actually had to pass through 1005 hz to get to 2 khz. This is because it is analog and continuous and therefore cannot be in 2 places at once. (Translation) Energy measured at 2khz is missing from the fundamental frequency (1khz) for the length of time it has been shifted. The same is true for the shifted 1005 hz energy.

Roger
Tvad,

How can you criticize someone for taking the fight against distortion to the next level?
I am merely taking the known accepted principles of the modern THD analyzer down a few notches more in terms of detection. Its not my fault that the analyzers are not sensitive enough to show you what is going on. The only reason it is a theory is because I have been forced to work around the inadequacies of the present day analyzer.

I’m sure at least half the people reading this thread know exactly what I’m talking about. Remember the arguments about how SS equipment should sound better than tubes because of the holy THD measurements where so much lower? You tube guys know that that was BS. Why? Because there was something being missed by the analyzers that was “unseen” and did not jive with the tube amp measurements which were typically higher.

I'm not talking about odd/even harmonics either. THD analyzers could not hear transparency, inner detail, staging etc.

You cannot use the simple logic that if you can’t measure it – it isn’t there.
Your own textbooks can verify my explanation of Doppler distortion if you simply apply what I am saying at a small scale to a higher scale so it fits into your world of measurements.

What is it about an amplifier that makes it produce harmonic distortion?

Anyone?