are all amps equal

03-28-09: Kijanki
Tvad - I understand, but shouldn't 42 Hz be fine if somebody listens to jazz or
popular music.

Not in my opinion, no. I am not one who is satisfied with the semi-full range
experience.

Again, all one has to do is listen to the jazz or popular music selection on a
system with full range speakers and a system with semi-full range speakers to
discern the difference.

Many listeners are satisfied with the semi-full range experience. For them, a
subwoofer is not necessary. Keslerd will have to determine if he wants a sub or
not.

Tvad - it's a trade off. I asked the question because I plan to upgrade my speakers. Getting lower end (lower than necessary?) will cut on definition, imaging etc (within the same price range). In absolute terms I agree (if price is not important). Lipinski 707 speaker is an excellent example of it. They sell sub to go with it but once you get total price there will be another better speaker with limited low end.

03-28-09: Kijanki
Tvad - it's a trade off. I asked the question because I plan to upgrade my
speakers. Getting lower end (lower than necessary?)

Define necessary. My definition of necessary is 30Hz at minimum. Lower if
possible.

... will cut on definition, imaging etc (within the same
price range).

I cannot agree with this. Definition and imaging are not tied to price. In other
words, one need not spend a large sum to get full range bass, outstanding
definition and excellent imaging. I have heard Vandersteen 3A Reference
speakers which sell for about $1500 used. They have incredible definition and
imaging, and they go down to 20Hz. Von Schweikert VR4 Gen III HSE go down
to 16Hz, and sell for about $2500 used. They have stunningly good bass,
definition and imaging.

There are many other examples. You just have to do some homework.

Tvad - you have much more experience with audio gear than I do, but it seems to me that there is some correlation between quality of the speaker and its price tag. Good transducers are expensive (tweeters included) and designer have certain constrains. Mentioned Lipinski's speakers (with "jaw dropping" imaging) would cost much more with extended bottom end.

I'm just saying that 30Hz doesn't come free and there might be better use for the money if music that you listen to doesn't require absolutely faithful reproduction of organs or double bassoon. I don't see how difference between 40 and 30Hz can change playback of bass guitar - I don't question it does, but just trying to understand it.

03-28-09: Kijanki
...it seems to me that there is some correlation between quality of the speaker and its price tag.

Listening to just the two speakers I mentioned previously will prove otherwise.

I don't see how difference between 40 and 30Hz can change playback of bass guitar - I don't question it does, but just trying to understand it.
Kijanki (Threads | Answers)

IMO, you would be wise to listen to a wide array of full range speakers using familiar source material that you play on your less-than-full-range speakers, rather than basing your judgment on what you think you should hear based on your interpretation of frequency response charts.

The difference and benefit will be immediately evident.